Nick Arnett wrote:

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> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Trent Shipley <[email protected]
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>     Nick Arnett wrote:
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>     > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:58 AM, <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>     > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
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>     >     I did not send the original to the list. Feel free to
>     forward this
>     >     to the list.
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>     >     I'm partial to MediaWiki.
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>     > I have installed MediaWiki here:
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>     > http://www.nickarnett.net/sfwiki/
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>     > We can create a domain name for it and point it there when we're
>     ready
>     > to go public with it.
>     >
>     > I guess there's no real need for admins...
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>     POWER,  I have been denied privilege and POWER!! Oh, the agony.
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> What wouldja like?  ;-)
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> Seriously, though, the wiki gives everybody lotsa power... I'm not
> familiar enough with Media Wiki to see (a) what administrators might
> do via the web interface and (b) exactly how to create 'em.  It's a
> php associative array, the docs tell me.
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> I'm happy to keep the discussion here for now, to get it going.
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> Any other experience wiki-ers here
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> Nick

I didn't set up my own Mediawiki, but I had my ISP do it. 

http://www.belfryenterprises.com/redgalaxy/index.php/Main_Page

I had some legitimate activity on it before I required users to register
to make changes.

I had HUGE problems with vandalism, but hardly random vandalism.  It was
all in the cause of porn sites and aphrodisiac catalogs trying to
improve their search order on GOOGLE.  At the time Mediawiki recommended
using its CAPTCHA plug-in.

The next problem is marketing.  Who do we want to tell about the site
and when do we want to tell them.

Then what are we marketing.

Suggested content has included these.
David Brin Uplift fiction  (He would probably let us get away with fan fic)
Science Fiction Literature.
Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature (NOT what DB would want, but
often grouped together and often read and appreciated by the same geeks.)
Imaginaria (Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, Super Heroes, etc.)

I am in favor of a business plan that starts with a Science Fiction
focus seeded with a David Brin project.  The plan is to grow to
encompass imaginaria.

Besides what genre we cover, there is the issue of kind of content we
want to include.  I am in favor of a literary encyclopedia.  It would
include:
* Synopses
* Reviews
* Literary Criticism.
Note that these are fundamentally external discourses about what someone
else wrote.

It would explicitly exclude:
* Writing from a perspective inside a given creator's universe.  (That
violates the IP owner's rights)
* Extending someone else's universe (also an IP nightmare).
* New world building
* Fan fiction
* New fiction.
Note that these are fundamentally internal discourses about what the
contributor or someone else wrote.

As for spoilers ... if you do not want to encounter spoilers why are you
reading a literary encyclopedia?  The whole wiki is one huge spoiler.

Contributing roles:
We need article authors.
We need various kinds of editors.
** Here it would be useful to have MA's and PhD's in literature and pop
culture who like science fiction.  Maybe they do research in the area
and have to stay current anyway.
We need mediators and arbitrators:
** Edit wars
** Controversial subjects, eg. Ayn Rand.  Race war science fiction, etc.
We need police to find malicious vandalism and unauthorized use of the
site for criminal or commercial purposes.
We need technical admins.  If we are successful we will need layers of
admins.

If we are to grow we need an organizational plan for growth.
We need a growth oriented revenue plan.
** This can wait awhile.
** Nonprofit??
**** underwriting or no underwriting?
** For profit?  (I would be reluctant to contribute for free.)



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