On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:32:25AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:

> I acknowledge the problems getting bad hosting services to install
> extra perl modules, but I move away from bad hosting services as soon
> as possible.  My current pool seem pretty good and also, bytemark's
> virtual machines are cheap enough (just over 100 quid a year)

IIRC their cheapest is 150 a year, but that's not got much memory at
all.  I certainly wouldn't want to run an RDBMS plus mod_perl in that,
which kinda defeats the purpose of avoiding shared hosting - that you
can run whatever you want.  At an absolute minimum you want the 270 quid
version.

Incidentally, while I use bytemark myself, I also recommend hetzner.de
if you speak German.  I have one of these machines
<http://hetzner.de/rootserver_en.html> (the 59 euro version).  You get a
lot more for your money, but at the cost of being a bit more buggered if
there's hardware problems, having less responsive support staff, and
having to speak Furrin to them.

(Yes, that page is in English.  It's pretty much the only one on their
site.  And many of their staff *do* speak English, but not very well
IME.)

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> it's an easy argument over a shared hosting account (usually at least
> 60 quid a year for a decent one AFAICT) if you're in any doubt - and
> these numbers are minor relative to the cost of customising a perl
> application anyway, let alone rewriting a good one to work on bad
> shared hosting.

Don't forget that if you have your own machine you have extra ongoing
costs to maintain it that you don't have for shared hosting - you need a
sysadmin.  Even if the contractor who sets it all up does a perfect job,
you still need someone who gets the emails from cron, and can read and
understand them and fix stuff that breaks.

You and I both know that contracting that out to the same person who
installed the bloody thing for you in the first place makes sense.  But
good luck explaining that to the sort of low-end user who doesn't have
his own in-house IT staff.  That sort of ongoing maintenance payment on
top of renting the machine is hard for them to justify because they
can't see any immediate benefit.

-- 
David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

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