David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:32:25AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > [...]  My current pool seem pretty good and also, bytemark's
> > virtual machines are cheap enough (just over 100 quid a year)
>
> IIRC their cheapest is 150 a year, but that's not got much memory at
> all.  I certainly wouldn't want to run an RDBMS plus mod_perl in that,

Well spotted.  It's gone up recently:
http://www.bytemark.co.uk/page/Live/hosting/virtualmachine/

I wouldn't want to run mod_perl at all, but that's a different debate.

I think one of our members has been using www.contextshift.co.uk which
has a bigger spread of capacities, but I've not read their opinions
recently enough to know how good it is.

[...]
> good luck explaining that to the sort of low-end user who doesn't have
> his own in-house IT staff.  That sort of ongoing maintenance payment on
> top of renting the machine is hard for them to justify because they
> can't see any immediate benefit.

If they're very low-end, I'd say they'll probably be happy sharing
hosting with some of our other customers.  Above that, I've not had
much trouble justifying ongoing contracts but that may be because:-
1. our customers are smarter than average;
2. we bill them on a three-month moving average; and/or
3. the cooperative difference.

Do many of the other webmasters here have ongoing contracts?

Regards,
-- 
MJ Ray (slef)
Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small
worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/
(Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
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