My take on these rules:
1. The pivot point has been established, as it is where the receiving player
crossed the line. Just because the player is not there, does not stop that
being the pivot point. It is therefore legal to stall. I think the point of
that rule is that if someone is running, catches the disc, and continues
running a bit (while slowing down as fast as possible of course), if you are
3m behind him when he catches it: you can't stop still and start stalling
him, when he has now moved to 4m away.
2. The point of the continuation rule is specifically for that pass. If
someone calls pick, and then the disc is thrown and turned over, then it is
not a turnover, and possession reverts to the thrower, everything resets to
when the pick was called. So if pick is called while the disc is in the air,
then the continuation rule applies for that pass. If the player decides to
throw it again, then the pick was called before that throw, so that throw
doesn't matter. So the disc would go back to the original thrower in that
case.
Hope my interpretations are both correct and understandable.
Tails
From: "Noble, Kevin (SELEX) (UK)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [BD] Rules questions
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:42 +0100
Before my questions, I thought MT2 was a great venue and tournament all
round. Good pitches, good showers, good catering, good weather etc...
I'm glad, though, that I didn't have three games back to back on Sunday
(like positions 25 to 28). I'm surprised there haven't been any
complaints about that. I guess it means an earlier finish and a chance
to watch the final.
Anyway, to my rules questions:
Not sure if the conclusions I have drawn are correct.
(copy of rules here)
http://www.ukultimate.com/system/files/WFDF+Ultimate+Rules+2007.pdf
1) Violation
Under the following rules, if a player's momentum carries him off the
pitch after a catch, it is a violation to start stalling before a pivot
foot is established and the defender therefore cannot start the count
before the player is back on the pitch.
17.3. Marker Violations
17.3.1. Marking violations include the following:
17.3.1.4.3. starts the stall count before the Offensive
player establishes both possession of the disc and a pivot
point
2) Continuation/pick
What happens if a pick is called when the disc is in the air and the
catch is completed but the catcher then throws the disc into the ground
like the muppet that he is? Even though the team that called the
violation eventually gained possession (18.3), play only continues until
possession is established (18.1). So the pass into the ground occurred
after play had stopped and therefore has no relevance to the call? My
main question here is whether "play continues until possession has been
established" implies that play stops once possession has been
established. Importantly, the team that called the violation did not
gain possession "as a result of the pass" but as a result of the pass
after that. I guess the call could be declined (18.5) as the call did
not affect the catchers ability to throw. However, it probably did
affect a runner who stopped once possession was gained who might have
otherwise caught the rubbish pass. So is the answer catch the throw and
gain possession but ignore what happens after that? Disc goes back to
thrower anyway?
18. Continuation Rule
18.1. If a foul or violation occurs when the disc is in the air or while
the thrower was in the act of throwing, play continues until possession
has been established.
18.2. If the foul or violation was called against the thrower (e.g.
travel
or offensive foul by the thrower), and the thrower attempts a pass after
the call, play continues until possession has been established.
18.3. If the team that called the foul or violation gains or retains
possession as a result of the pass, play shall continue unhalted.
Players recognizing this should call "Play on" immediately to indicate
that this rule has been invoked.
18.4. If the team that called the foul or violation does not gain or
retain
possession as a result of the pass, play shall be stopped and the disc
will be returned to the thrower for a check.
18.5. If the team that called the foul or violation believes that play
has
not been affected by the foul or violation, they should decline the foul
or violation, make up any positional disadvantage caused by the foul or
violation, and restart play with a check.
Thanks,
Kevin
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