Regards point 1: "13.1 a player catches the disc by demonstrating sustained control of a non-spinning disc" "13.4 after a catch that player becomes the thrower"
"10.1 The marker may administer a stall count on the thrower by announcing "stalling"..." So if you really wanted to you could stall someone in mid-air as long as you're close enough Dr Ewen Buckling Dept of Biological Sciences University of Warwick Coventry CV4 7AL 024 76522444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Parr Sent: 22 May 2007 15:19 To: Noble, Kevin (SELEX) (UK); [email protected] Subject: Re: [BD] Rules questions On point 1, I think that there is an exception (and a grey area) that allows for the stall count to be commenced if a player is deliberately taking their time to establish the pivot in order to give their team an unfair advantage (i.e. chasing into position following a huck and catch). I guess that comes down to the the player on disc and their marker both being sensible about what constitutes deliberately taking too long. On 5/22/07, Noble, Kevin (SELEX) (UK) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tails, > > 2. Good. There were definitely times at MT2 where a pick was called > and possession was lost after several passes but teams insisted in > declining the call. > > 1. It makes sense as the general intention of the stalling rule, but > this specific marker violation seems to contradict your point. The > rules below would suggest that a pivot point is established once > returning from out of bounds. He is still in-bounds but he still needs > to put the disc into play (see 9.1) and therefore is yet to establish a > pivot foot. > Maybe. I can't see a rule where it says a pivot foot is established on > crossing the line. > > 12.3.1. If momentum causes a player to touch an out-of-bounds area > after catching the disc in-bounds, the player is considered inbounds. > That players puts the disc into play at the spot on the Field of Play > closest to where they first crossed the Perimeter Line. > > 9.1. Putting the disc into play means that the offensive player in > possession of the disc establishes a pivot point (typically their foot) > at the point on the Field of Play as specified. > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Andy Taylor > Sent: 22 May 2007 13:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [BD] Rules questions > > *** WARNING *** > > This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an > external partner or the Global Internet. > Keep this in mind if you answer this message. > > My take on these rules: > > 1. The pivot point has been established, as it is where the receiving > player crossed the line. Just because the player is not there, does not > stop that being the pivot point. It is therefore legal to stall. I think > the point of that rule is that if someone is running, catches the disc, > and continues running a bit (while slowing down as fast as possible of > course), if you are 3m behind him when he catches it: you can't stop > still and start stalling him, when he has now moved to 4m away. > > 2. The point of the continuation rule is specifically for that pass. If > someone calls pick, and then the disc is thrown and turned over, then it > is not a turnover, and possession reverts to the thrower, everything > resets to when the pick was called. So if pick is called while the disc > is in the air, then the continuation rule applies for that pass. If the > player decides to throw it again, then the pick was called before that > throw, so that throw doesn't matter. So the disc would go back to the > original thrower in that case. > > > Hope my interpretations are both correct and understandable. > > Tails > > > >From: "Noble, Kevin (SELEX) (UK)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: [BD] Rules questions > >Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:42 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >Before my questions, I thought MT2 was a great venue and tournament all > > >round. Good pitches, good showers, good catering, good weather etc... > >I'm glad, though, that I didn't have three games back to back on Sunday > > >(like positions 25 to 28). I'm surprised there haven't been any > >complaints about that. I guess it means an earlier finish and a chance > > >to watch the final. > > > > > > > >Anyway, to my rules questions: > > > >Not sure if the conclusions I have drawn are correct. > >(copy of rules here) > >http://www.ukultimate.com/system/files/WFDF+Ultimate+Rules+2007.pdf > > > > > >1) Violation > >Under the following rules, if a player's momentum carries him off the > >pitch after a catch, it is a violation to start stalling before a pivot > > >foot is established and the defender therefore cannot start the count > >before the player is back on the pitch. > > > > > >17.3. Marker Violations > >17.3.1. Marking violations include the following: > > > >17.3.1.4.3. starts the stall count before the Offensive player > >establishes both possession of the disc and a pivot point > > > > > > > >2) Continuation/pick > >What happens if a pick is called when the disc is in the air and the > >catch is completed but the catcher then throws the disc into the ground > > >like the muppet that he is? Even though the team that called the > >violation eventually gained possession (18.3), play only continues > >until possession is established (18.1). So the pass into the ground > >occurred after play had stopped and therefore has no relevance to the > >call? My main question here is whether "play continues until > >possession has been established" implies that play stops once > >possession has been established. Importantly, the team that called the > > >violation did not gain possession "as a result of the pass" but as a > >result of the pass after that. I guess the call could be declined > >(18.5) as the call did not affect the catchers ability to throw. > >However, it probably did affect a runner who stopped once possession > >was gained who might have otherwise caught the rubbish pass. So is the > > >answer catch the throw and gain possession but ignore what happens > >after that? Disc goes back to thrower anyway? > > > > > >18. Continuation Rule > >18.1. If a foul or violation occurs when the disc is in the air or > >while the thrower was in the act of throwing, play continues until > >possession has been established. > >18.2. If the foul or violation was called against the thrower (e.g. > >travel > >or offensive foul by the thrower), and the thrower attempts a pass > >after the call, play continues until possession has been established. > >18.3. If the team that called the foul or violation gains or retains > >possession as a result of the pass, play shall continue unhalted. > >Players recognizing this should call "Play on" immediately to indicate > >that this rule has been invoked. > >18.4. If the team that called the foul or violation does not gain or > >retain possession as a result of the pass, play shall be stopped and > >the disc will be returned to the thrower for a check. > >18.5. If the team that called the foul or violation believes that play > >has not been affected by the foul or violation, they should decline the > > >foul or violation, make up any positional disadvantage caused by the > >foul or violation, and restart play with a check. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Kevin > >BASIC > > > >SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Limited Registered Office: Sigma > >House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex > >SS14 3EL > >A company registered in England & Wales. Company no. 02426132 > >******************************************************************** > >This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended > >recipient and may also be privileged. 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