I think the rule is fair enough. If the disc is dangerous (torn, gouged,
punctured) or actually creased it seems silly to play on, but otherwise
it only takes a second or two to give it a bit of a bend or a wipe and
it'll be playable even if not quite perfect. If it's your own silly
fault for landing on it or catching it stupidly you can't really complain.
On the other hand, you could add something to the rule about who caused
it - if it's bent or muddy because a defender squished it as you caught
it, or as a result of a foul (which isn't a stoppage as it'll be
automatically declined if the catch is made) then you ought maybe to be
able to clean, straighten, or replace it if you want.
One for the 2008 rules maybe...
B
Dan Berry wrote:
Interesting.
So let's say our fat chump of a handler (Dave Cross) lays out, turns the
disc into a banana and gets up to inspect the damage.
In this situation, I've always seen the two people near the disc stop,
check the disc using the eminently scientific method of look at it like
a plumber does a boiler, throw it about to each other randomly, and then
either replace it or carry on.
What you are saying is if someone stops to check the disc, you should,
in theory, stall them anyway as usual? What happens if they then say
"hey I'm checking the disc you swine!"? Should you carry on stalling?
Doesn't it all seem a bit mental, especially as you may be playing with
a disc shaped like a squashed pancake? Seems like common sense to freeze
the game and fix the disc issue. Unless the attacking team take the
resulting pause to set something up, I guess but anyone who lays out
with the aim of stalling the game by breaking the disc deserves some
credit I reckon.
Not questioning you, just the rule. Seems a bit mad.
In case you hadn't notice I often get confused by the rules. Apologies
if I have totally got this wrong.
Cheers,
Berry7.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of David Grayson
Sent: 14 August 2007 09:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BD] Faulty disc rules
Hello everyone.
An issue which has been brought up a few times recently about changes to
rules is whether or not you can change a disc during a point because it
is bent.
I have searched the WFDF 2007 rules and can inform you that this was
indeed one of the rules that has been clarified recently.
"Any player may briefly extend a stoppage of play to correct faulty
equipment (e.g. to tie shoelaces or straighten a disc), but active play
may not be stopped for this purpose"
Essentially this is important because it means that a disc can only be
fixed if the disc is not currently checked in, and play cant be stopped
to fix it (as happens quite a lot). That means on your way to pick up
the disc you can ask permission to straighten the disc, but you cant
stop play if you taco it when you layout and catch it. As with lots of
rules, it seems eminently sensible.
The subsidiary question has been whether you can change a disc midpoint
when it isnt physically broken. I would suggest that if the play has
stopped then you can ask agreement to swap the disc, but not during
active play. There is no requirement in the rules on what constitutes
faulty (i.e. it doesnt matter if it is broken or just bent).
For the benefit of anyone (several people) who have had this discussion
with me recently - er, turns out we were all wrong!
I wonder has anyone ever compiled a list of common "Myths of ultimate"?
Might be a good ultimatum article for someone (funnier and a better
writer than me) to write?
Cheers,
Dave G.
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