Hasn't 12.2 always been in and covered this? 12.2. If the player loses control of the disc due to subsequent contact with the ground or a team-mate or a legitimately positioned opposition player, the catch is deemed to have not occurred.
C On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 21:23, Paul Holden <[email protected]> wrote: > Fair point. My immediate reaction was "I wouldn't call that!" but on > further thinking about it it would be fairer to say "Having read the new > rules I wouldn't call that." What I would have done if it happened prior > to the new rules I am not so sure about. > > The new rules are a definite improvement in that regard as the situation > you highlight is directly equivalent to a "ground strip" but was > probably not played that way in many (most/all) situations. > > Regards, > Paul Holden mailto: [email protected] > > [email protected] wrote: >> Two people go up for a high disc and as the catcher comes down the disc is >> knocked out of his hands because it hits the other player. Lots of people >> call this a strip. But the defender did not foul at any point…so in the new >> rules it shouldn’t be a strip but a turnover. >> ------------------ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Holden <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:41:29 >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BD] Strip >> >> >> Lewis, >> >> I don't think that there is any functional difference in the new >> wording, just an attempt at simplification. >> >> Noting that: >> >> Definitions - Possession of the disc >> ... >> A disc in the possession of a player is considered part of that player. >> ... >> >> And: >> >> 17.4. Defensive Throwing (Marking) Fouls: >> 17.4.1. A Defensive Throwing Foul occurs when: >> 17.4.1.1. A defensive player is illegally positioned (Section 18.1), and >> there is contact with the thrower; or >> 17.4.1.2. A defensive player initiates contact with the thrower, or a >> part of their body was moving and contacted the thrower, prior to the >> release. >> >> And: >> >> 17.5. Strip Fouls: >> 17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the >> receiver or thrower to drop the disc after they have gained possession. >> >> It seems to amount to the same thing? I'm am not sure in what way the >> old wording can be seen to be broader in scope than the new wording? >> >> >> Regards, >> Paul Holden mailto: [email protected] >> >> Lewis wrote: >>> I'm going to be incredibly nerdy here but I don't care :P >>> >>> I've just noticed....the 2002 rules said... >>> >>> # D. Strip: No defensive player may touch the disc while it is in the >>> possession of the thrower or receiver. If a defensive player does so, >>> causing the thrower or receiver to drop the disc, the player who was in >>> possession of the disc calls, "Strip." >>> >>> 1. The player formerly in possession of the disc regains possession at >>> the point where the strip occurred and play shall resume via a check. >>> 2. If a stall count was in progress as the disc was stripped, the count >>> is reset to zero. >>> 3. A contested strip of the receiver is treated the same as a contested >>> catching foul; an uncontested strip in the end zone is a goal. >>> >>> >>> >>> New (2009) / 2008 rules say: >>> >>> 17.5. Strip Fouls: >>> 17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the receiver or >>> thrower to >>> drop the disc after they have gained possession. >>> 17.5.2. If the reception would have otherwise been a goal, and the foul is >>> uncontested, a >>> goal is awarded. >>> >>> >>> It seems that a lot of people are still playing the top rule any contact and >>> the disc gets dropped = strip, but in fact it must be a defensive foul that >>> causes a strip. >>> >>> Lewis >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> BritDisc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > -- Aussie http://leedsleedsleeds.org.uk http://www.flatballphoto.co.uk __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
