Thanks for the reference Chris. I agree, that would seem to cover it. Regards, Paul Holden mailto: [email protected]
Chris White wrote: > Hasn't 12.2 always been in and covered this? > > 12.2. If the player loses control of the disc due to subsequent > contact with the ground or a > team-mate or a legitimately positioned opposition player, the catch is > deemed to have > not occurred. > > C > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 21:23, Paul Holden <[email protected]> wrote: >> Fair point. My immediate reaction was "I wouldn't call that!" but on >> further thinking about it it would be fairer to say "Having read the new >> rules I wouldn't call that." What I would have done if it happened prior >> to the new rules I am not so sure about. >> >> The new rules are a definite improvement in that regard as the situation >> you highlight is directly equivalent to a "ground strip" but was >> probably not played that way in many (most/all) situations. >> >> Regards, >> Paul Holden mailto: [email protected] >> >> [email protected] wrote: >>> Two people go up for a high disc and as the catcher comes down the disc is >>> knocked out of his hands because it hits the other player. Lots of people >>> call this a strip. But the defender did not foul at any point…so in the new >>> rules it shouldn’t be a strip but a turnover. >>> ------------------ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Holden <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:41:29 >>> Cc: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [BD] Strip >>> >>> >>> Lewis, >>> >>> I don't think that there is any functional difference in the new >>> wording, just an attempt at simplification. >>> >>> Noting that: >>> >>> Definitions - Possession of the disc >>> ... >>> A disc in the possession of a player is considered part of that player. >>> ... >>> >>> And: >>> >>> 17.4. Defensive Throwing (Marking) Fouls: >>> 17.4.1. A Defensive Throwing Foul occurs when: >>> 17.4.1.1. A defensive player is illegally positioned (Section 18.1), and >>> there is contact with the thrower; or >>> 17.4.1.2. A defensive player initiates contact with the thrower, or a >>> part of their body was moving and contacted the thrower, prior to the >>> release. >>> >>> And: >>> >>> 17.5. Strip Fouls: >>> 17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the >>> receiver or thrower to drop the disc after they have gained possession. >>> >>> It seems to amount to the same thing? I'm am not sure in what way the >>> old wording can be seen to be broader in scope than the new wording? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Paul Holden mailto: [email protected] >>> >>> Lewis wrote: >>>> I'm going to be incredibly nerdy here but I don't care :P >>>> >>>> I've just noticed....the 2002 rules said... >>>> >>>> # D. Strip: No defensive player may touch the disc while it is in the >>>> possession of the thrower or receiver. If a defensive player does so, >>>> causing the thrower or receiver to drop the disc, the player who was in >>>> possession of the disc calls, "Strip." >>>> >>>> 1. The player formerly in possession of the disc regains possession at >>>> the point where the strip occurred and play shall resume via a check. >>>> 2. If a stall count was in progress as the disc was stripped, the count >>>> is reset to zero. >>>> 3. A contested strip of the receiver is treated the same as a contested >>>> catching foul; an uncontested strip in the end zone is a goal. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New (2009) / 2008 rules say: >>>> >>>> 17.5. Strip Fouls: >>>> 17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the receiver or >>>> thrower to >>>> drop the disc after they have gained possession. >>>> 17.5.2. If the reception would have otherwise been a goal, and the foul is >>>> uncontested, a >>>> goal is awarded. >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems that a lot of people are still playing the top rule any contact >>>> and >>>> the disc gets dropped = strip, but in fact it must be a defensive foul that >>>> causes a strip. >>>> >>>> Lewis >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> BritDisc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> BritDisc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >> __________________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >> > > > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
