Hey
I echo Steve's thoughts. I've been coached to "do what you do on the mark until 
you get called on it", i.e. cheat until someone points out that you're 
cheating. I don't like it. It's not ultimate. We're our own refs, you should 
not try and cheat the ref. If you want to do that, go play football.
Nicole

--- On Tue, 5/17/11, Steven Hunter <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Steven Hunter <[email protected]>
Subject: [BD] Physicality in ultimate
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 9:45 PM

After reading the email from before talking about physical contact I agree that 
whilst running or bidding for a disc there will be acceptable contact. Also, 
that if an offensive player runs into a defensive player who is holding their 
ground this is fine (assuming that the defensive player hasn't moved into that 
position for that purpose) 

However, in recent years I have had numerous occasions where players have 
intentionally fouled on the mark and when pulled up on this have admitted it 
seeming to think that this is normal and part of the game, using such phrases 
as, 'if you want to call a foul, call a foul'. In my opinion this is cheating, 
similar to diving in football, an act purely to gain an advantage. Other 
examples in ultimate would be calling yourself in when out, claiming to have 
caught the disc when it is down etc...

These other things would never be accepted if people freely admitted them. 

Is it just that I have had a few bad experiences with some unscrupulous people 
or is this something that has become accepted in certain sections of the game. 
Or is it just my inner hippy. 

Steve
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