Il giorno domenica 19/07/2009 01:33:20 CEST Giuseppe Scrivano <[email protected]> ha scritto:
> al3xu5 / dotcommon <[email protected]> writes: > > > This is in addiction to my previous email. > > > > The GNU/FSF Guidelines for Free System Distributions > > http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html > > state: > > > > "Non-functional Data > > Data that has an aesthetic purpose, rather than a functional one, > > may be included in a free system distribution *as long as its > > license gives you permission to copy and redistribute*, both for > > commercial and non-commercial purposes. For example, there are some > > game engines that have been released under the GNU GPL, and have > > accompanying game information—a world map, game graphics, and so > > on—*released under such a verbatim distribution license*. This kind > > of data can be part of a free system distribution." > > It is saying that themes, if they are considered to have only an > aesthetic purpose can be included in a free software as GNU IceCat. > > Firefox themes give you the permission to copy and redistribute them. right... but the guidelines says that data with aesthetic purpose may be included in a free system distribution *as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute* and also suggest to releas aesthetic data *under such a verbatim distribution license* ... anyway, I was referring to this statement in the first mail of this thread: "after a discussion we had on IRC (I catch this occasion to announce the #icecat channel on the freenode.net network), it seems that themes could be considered "Arts" and it is not a problem if they are non-free." and my criticism was in particular about this: "it is not a problem if they are *non-free*" I do not see problems if themes, images, css and more are released with a truly free license GNU/FSF have a 'Free Art License' specific for artistic works [http://artlibre.org/licence/lalgb.html] which have all fredoms: such a license, for example, would be perfect for aesthetic data > What you posted enforces my doubt, themes must be considered software > or not? themes are images and css, now: - images are not software - css ARE CODE, and may contain not only 'artistic' directives for the page layout but also, for example, code to display floating menus, or code to hide/unhide some parts of the page, or code to manage printing... how can you decide if the css code in a theme is just art or not? - a standalone theme do not work: it works only when you load it to become an extension of the browser, a functional part of the software... so themes MUST be consider software - if we do not consider to be free all the artwork included in a software, then the same shuold be done for all logos, icons, colours, buttons, etc.??? > Our goal is to protect users freedom; to do so, there is need to have > clear ideas, and I admit that now I don't have completely clear ideas > on themes. why just protect users freedom? would not be better trying to expand users freedom? and why just do it regarding software code? > They looks like half way between software and artwork. I do not think so: themes do nothing if standalone. they work only if loaded into the browser to become a functional (not only aesthetic) piece of it > Surely we can't advise non-free software but at the same time we can't > be blind and say no to everything. If the FSF says that aesthetic > data can be included, until it can be freely copied and distributed > then I assume there are good reasons to say so. If themes can be > considered aesthetic data only then I don't see good reasons to don't > advise them. me too if they are released with a truly free licence! but surely NOT if they are *non-free*!!! > Are there good examples of themes that can't be considered only > artwork? as you can understand from what I have previous said, I do not think this is the point... let me add another observation: suppose I am a visually handicapped and daltonian person suppose there is is a theme good for me: it has large icons and some functionalities (included by the css theme) that works well to me now suppose I nedd to change the icons colours (i ma daltonian) to be able to see them well... BUT i can not do this becouse the theme is released with a license wich do not permit any artwork modifications... how can this a way to protect users freedom? regards al3xu5 / dotcommon --- Support free software! Join FSF: http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=7535 You will receive a bootable USB membership card with gNewSense Live!
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