[Off-Topic] 

  Dear List Member.

  I have problems with the mail list. My mail Graham
  answered generously is returned. Probably because
  of the size > 400 kb. I'll send the picture to graham
  only -- if you don't disagree -- and hope this will help.
  Sorry

  Best regards,
  Chrisch

[On topic]

Am Samstag, 21. November 2009 20:39:46 schrieb Graham Percival:
> 
> Thanks, added!
> 
> Please note that this file is now in the directory
>   Documentation/web/introduction.itely
> Other than the general->web alteration, nothing has changed about
> the way to work on this file.  :)

Ok, here the next few changes:
 * new "stand alone" box for frescobaldi
 * LilyKDE before TeXShop to mention graphical first
 * new svn link for TextMate (still ignored)
 * new box for "Other programs can export LilyPond code"
   * order tools using subsubsections:
      first graphical, second text/command line

> 
> >  * Screenshot for LilyKDE (the pngs are included in this mail)
> >    - This go to "[lilypond.git]/Documentation/pictures/"
> >    - The png would collide with the help message.
> >       The text will float, but the background will collide.
> 
> I don't quite follow... I suspect that there's a CSS problem,
> which is unfortunate since I'm not really familiar with CSS.
> 
Yes, it's CSS related. The new box for "Other programs can export LilyPond 
code" will avoid the collision.

> >    - added names for links
> 
> I'm fine with this, but make sure that we have a link for which
> the displayed name is the same as the link -- this is important in
> case somebody prints the PDF; the paper version obviously won't
> have a clickable url.  :)
> 
> (I'm not certain if you realized that the .itexi file you edit is
> processed into HTML, PDF, and info formats)
> 
I'm used to PDF with hyperlinks from LaTeX. But a printout with clickable url 
is still science fiction ;-) This become part of the todo list.

> >  * What means the "@"  in some content of @uref?
> 
> In texinfo, @ means "this is a command".  If you write
>   uref{blahblah}
> then it will be interpreted (and printed) as literal text; if you
> write:
>   @uref{blah,blah}
> then texinfo knows that you want to make a "universal reference".
> 
Sorry, I should have read the manual before asking. I meant the "@/" like in:
@uref{http://@/www@/.rosegardenmusic@/.com,Rosegarden}
-> They allow page breaks in the printout.

> {snip}
All remaining topics later this week.

Best Regards,
Chrisch
--- introduction.itexi	2009-11-23 02:02:51.000000000 +0100
+++ introduction.itexi.new	2009-11-23 02:07:43.000000000 +0100
@@ -862,6 +862,25 @@
 @divEnd
 
 @divClass{column-center-top}
+...@subheading Mixed environment: Frescobaldi
+
+...@imageclickable{frescobaldi-lilypond-editor-small,png,
+  (click to enlarge),frescobaldi-lilypond-editor,png,right}
+
+...@sourceimage{logo-linux,,,}
+...@sourceimage{logo-freebsd,,,}
+
+...@uref{http://www.frescobaldi.org}
+
+Frescobaldi is a dedicated LilyPond music and text editor with
+built-in PDF previewer, a powerful score wizard and many editing
+features.  It is built on top of the KDE4 libraries and runs
+currently on all flavours of Linux and other UNIX-like operating
+systems.
+
+...@divend
+
+...@divclass{column-center-top}
 @subheading Text environment: Emacs and Vim
 
 @sourceimage{logo-linux,,,}
@@ -891,22 +910,26 @@
 
 @help insert text and a graphic(s)
 
-...@subsubheading Mixed environment: Frescobaldi
+...@subsubheading Mixed environment: LilyKDE
 
-...@imageclickable{frescobaldi-lilypond-editor-small,png,
-  (click to enlarge),frescobaldi-lilypond-editor,png,right}
+...@imageclickable{lilykde-screenshot-small,png,
+  (click to enlarge),lilykde-screenshot,png,right}
 
 @sourceimage{logo-linux,,,}
 @sourceimage{logo-freebsd,,,}
 
-...@uref{http://www.frescobaldi.org}
+...@uref{http://lilykde.googlecode.com/}
 
-Frescobaldi is a dedicated LilyPond music and text editor with
-built-in PDF previewer, a powerful score wizard and many editing
-features.  It is built on top of the KDE4 libraries and runs
-currently on all flavours of Linux and other UNIX-like operating
-systems.
+LilyKDE is a plugin for KDE's text editor
+...@uref{http://kate-editor.org/,Kate}.  It has a powerful Score
+Wizard to quickly setup a LilyPond document and an embedded
+PDF viewer.
+
+LilyKDE can use @uref{http://www.volny.cz/smilauer/rumor/,Rumor},
+so music can entered by playing on a MIDI keyboard.
 
+Other features are lyric hyphenation and running LilyPond on
+multiple files at once from within the KDE file manager.
 
 @subsubheading Text environment: TexShop
 
@@ -914,14 +937,11 @@
 
 @uref{http://@/www@/.uoregon@/.edu/~koch/texshop}
 
-The
-...@uref{http://@/www@/.uoregon@/.edu/~koch/texshop/index@/.html,TexShop}
-editor for ma...@tie{}x can be extended to run LilyPond,
+The TexShop editor for ma...@tie{}x can be extended to run LilyPond,
 @command{lilypond-book} and @command{convert-ly} from within the editor,
 using the extensions available at
 @uref{http://@/www@/.dimi@/.uniud@/.it/vitacolo/freesoftware@/.html#desktoppub}.
 
-
 @ignore
 TODO: ask somebody to sponsor/check these.  -gp
 
@@ -935,50 +955,25 @@
 @example
 mkdir -p /Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Bundles
 cd /Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Bundles
-svn co http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/Lilypond.tmbundle/
+svn co http://svn.textmate.org/trunk/Bundles/LilyPond.tmbundle/
 @end example
 @end ignore
 
-...@subsubheading Mixed environment: LilyKDE
-
-...@imageclickable{lilykde-screenshot-small,png,
-  (click to enlarge),lilykde-screenshot,png,right}
-
-...@sourceimage{logo-linux,,,}
-...@sourceimage{logo-freebsd,,,}
-
-...@uref{http://lilykde.googlecode.com/}
-
-...@uref{http://lilykde.googlecode.com/,LilyKDE} is a plugin for
-KDE's text editor @uref{http://kate-editor.org/,Kate}.  It has a
-powerful Score Wizard to quickly setup a LilyPond document and an
-embedded PDF viewer.
-
-LilyKDE can use @uref{http://www.volny.cz/smilauer/rumor/,Rumor},
-so music can entered by playing on a MIDI keyboard.
+...@divend
 
-Other features are lyric hyphenation and running LilyPond on
-multiple files at once from within the KDE file manager.
+...@divclass{column-center-top}
+...@subheading Other programs can export LilyPond code
 
+...@ignore
+TODO: change url back to full adress, to make it readable in printouts -ch
+...@end ignore
 
 @help clean up this list, check links, etc.
 
-Other programs can export LilyPond code:
+...@subsubheading Graphical environments:
 
 @itemize
 @item
-...@uref{http://www@/.volny@/.cz/smilauer/rumor/rumor@/.html,Rumor}, a realtime
-monophonic MIDI to LilyPond converter.
-...@item
-...@uref{http://nicolas@/.sceaux@/.free@/.fr/lilypond/lyqi@/.html,lyqi}, an
-Emacs major mode.
-...@item
-...@uref{http://@/www@/.nongnu@/.org/@/xml2ly/,xml2ly}, which imports
-...@uref{http://@/www@/.musicxml@/.com/xml@/.html,MusicXML}
-...@item
-...@uref{http://@/common-lisp@/.net/project/fomus/,FOMUS},
-a LISP library to generate music notation
-...@item
 @uref{http://@/noteedit@/.berlios@/.de,NoteEdit}
 which imports @uref{http://@/www@/.musicxml@/.com/xml@/.html,MusicXML}
 @item
@@ -995,6 +990,23 @@
 @uref{http://canorus.org,Canorus} can also export to LilyPond, but is still
 beta-software. Testers welcome though.
 @end itemize
+
+...@subsubheading Command Line Tools:
+
+...@itemize
+...@item
+...@uref{http://www@/.volny@/.cz/smilauer/rumor/rumor@/.html,Rumor}, a realtime
+monophonic MIDI to LilyPond converter.
+...@item
+...@uref{http://nicolas@/.sceaux@/.free@/.fr/lilypond/lyqi@/.html,lyqi}, an
+Emacs major mode.
+...@item
+...@uref{http://@/www@/.nongnu@/.org/@/xml2ly/,xml2ly}, which imports
+...@uref{http://@/www@/.musicxml@/.com/xml@/.html,MusicXML}
+...@item
+...@uref{http://@/common-lisp@/.net/project/fomus/,FOMUS},
+a LISP library to generate music notation
+...@end itemize
 @divEnd
 
 
@@ -1031,7 +1043,3 @@
 @divEnd
 
 @divEnd
-
-
-
-
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