Well at least we now know it will be a mass hanging for the offence. Just keep 
in mind that the repeater trustee is always monitoring ( he never sleeps on the 
service work job)so thus the repeater is manned by a human for intervention and 
control. If this was a serious infraction the FCC would be chopping heads from 
BSA and we would not have JOTA. With proper identify of 3rd party traffic whats 
the problem.
Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Wrenn via BVARC 
  To: Eddie Runner ; BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
  Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [BVARC] I didn't know that!


  I was thinking along a similar line so I did some research this morning.  The 
repeater is considered in automatic control if it does not have an operator 
physically present at its operating point.  If the repeater is being controlled 
by software then it is under automatic control.  The other options are remote 
control, via a phone line or rf link, and local control, which means a human 
operator is physically located at the machine.


  The rules, not so simply, state that no automatically controlled radio may 
transmit third party traffic.

  So I'm guilty of putting my daughter on the air, Daryl is guilty of putting 
his wife on the air and the Boy Scouts of America commit this crime every year 
right about this weekend with JOTA.



  Seven Three,


  Michael - K5WRN

  http://www.qrz.com/db/K5WRN



  On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    a repeater is not neccissarily AUTOMATIC CONTROL..

    Automatic control is like when a repeater automaticly keys up to send its 
ID.



    When one if us keys the repeater from our car or HT that is NOT automatic 
contol.



    I think someone may be missinterpretting this a bit.



    Part 97 is of course a bunch of legal talk,  ha ha,

    not easily interpreted by most of us..  (including me)



    but it does have definitions of automatic, control operator,  repeater and 
third party.



    the way I read it if you want to let your unlicensed buddy, child or wife,  
talk through 

    your microphone while you are in control of the rig, through a local 
repeater, it is ok.



    Eddie (NU5K)



    From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Burgess 
via BVARC
    Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:24 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [BVARC] I didn't know that!



    From the Ham Test Online Extra study material:





    Automatically Controlled Stations and Third-Party Communications

    There are a couple of quirky laws about third party communications and 
automatically controlled stations.  The FCC is trying to make sure that amateur 
radio doesn't compete with any commercial services.

      a.. Automatically controlled stations are not allowed to originate third 
party communications.
       
      b.. Automatically controlled stations are only allowed to retransmit 
third party communications if they are RTTY or data.  In other words, if you 
pass third party traffic by voice on a repeater, or let your unlicensed friend 
talk on a repeater, and there is no control operator monitoring the repeater at 
that time, the repeater is violating the regulations!  Most hams don't know 
this rule, or simply ignore it, but it is the law.




    -------



    Travis

    K5HTB


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