The FCC has made it clear that each repeater user was responsible for content
and content of repeater transmitted QSOs was not the responsibility of the
repeater operator. That tells me that the origin of benign repeater traffic is
up to the radio owner. If terrorists start using amateur radio, we may need
that rule to be changed, but so far that is one thing we need not worry about.
I don't think that anyone is worried about unlicensed people being allowed to
speak into a microphone. Otherwise we will have to be careful about dogs
barking when we are on the air. Non-human third party traffic. Imagine the
shame!
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:40 PM, Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]>
wrote:
I think they key is in the part 97 definition of Automatic control.
it reads:
96.3 Definitions
(6) Automatic control. The use of devices and procedures for control of a
station when it is transmitting so that compliance with the FCC Rules is
achievedwithout the control operator being present at a control point.
so,
the automatic control is NOT that it automaticly keys up like a repeater
without a control operator being present,
the automatic control is when the radio does something automaticly to comply
with the FCC rules so the operator does not need to be present
to make the station comply.
(like I said an automatic ID)
read the whole defintion and it obviously applies to ONLY something that
happens automaticly so the station will comply with FCC rules.
Not every transmission.
Eddie (NU5K)
From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Michael Wrenn
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:31 PM
To: Eddie Runner; BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
Subject: Re: [BVARC] I didn't know that!
I was thinking along a similar line so I did some research this morning. The
repeater is considered in automatic control if it does not have an operator
physically present at its operating point. If the repeater is being controlled
by software then it is under automatic control. The other options are remote
control, via a phone line or rf link, and local control, which means a human
operator is physically located at the machine.
The rules, not so simply, state that no automatically controlled radio may
transmit third party traffic.
So I'm guilty of putting my daughter on the air, Daryl is guilty of putting his
wife on the air and the Boy Scouts of America commit this crime every year
right about this weekend with JOTA.
Seven Three,
Michael - K5WRN
http://www.qrz.com/db/K5WRN
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]>
wrote:
a repeater is not neccissarily AUTOMATIC CONTROL..
Automatic control is like when a repeater automaticly keys up to send its ID.
When one if us keys the repeater from our car or HT that is NOT automatic
contol.
I think someone may be missinterpretting this a bit.
Part 97 is of course a bunch of legal talk, ha ha,
not easily interpreted by most of us.. (including me)
but it does have definitions of automatic, control operator, repeater and
third party.
the way I read it if you want to let your unlicensed buddy, child or wife,
talk through
your microphone while you are in control of the rig, through a local repeater,
it is ok.
Eddie (NU5K)
From:BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Burgess via
BVARC
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BVARC] I didn't know that!
>From the Ham Test Online Extra study material:
Automatically Controlled Stations and Third-Party Communications
There are a couple of quirky laws about third party communications and
automatically controlled stations. The FCC is trying to make sure that amateur
radio doesn't compete with any commercial services.
* Automatically controlled stations are not allowed to originate third
party communications.
* Automatically controlled stations are only allowed to retransmit
third party communications if they are RTTY or data. In other words, if you
pass third party traffic by voice on a repeater, or let your unlicensed friend
talk on a repeater, and there is no control operator monitoring the repeater at
that time, the repeater is violating the regulations! Most hams don't know
this rule, or simply ignore it, but it is the law.
-------
Travis
K5HTB
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