Following on to Mark’s comments: 1. My wife is a Civil Engineer who specializes in water resources. She’s also an environmental engineer. I am thus supervised in these matters. 2. I don’t have as much faith in the government to do anything competently. If they are able to keep the system running, fine. 3. I would not directly mix water and electronics, though it is necessary to maintain the electrical properties of my central nervous system.
The point of the original post was to highlight a glaring omission in most disaster plans that I’ve read. We can have all the radios and MREs and guns that we need, but we need water and it’s not guaranteed. 73! B > On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:32 AM, mark janzer via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote: > > As a civil engineer, I feel obligated to chime in on this: > > 1. Many MUD districts and regional Cities, after TS Allison and Hurricane > Ike, used recovery money to obtain and maintain portable emergency pumps and > portable generators (by acquisition or contract), so as not to disrupt > service for too long a period after a major storm event. > 2. Grey water (no fecal content) is either dishwater or treated effluent > (from a wastewater plant, WWTP). > 3. Many public golf courses are irrigated by treated effluent. > 4. Don't tap into purple colored pipe for a potable water source, it's > distributed grey water. > 5. We're drinking and bathing in recycled water from the upper watersheds > that include the Cities of Dallas and Fort Worth. > 6. All the urban bayous in our area have water flowing in them during even > the worst drought, this water is treated effluent from upstream WWTP's. > 7. This subject is way off topic, water and electronics don't mix well. > > Respectfully submitted, > Mark > K5MGJ > > > From: WILLIS COOKE via BVARC <[email protected]> > To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> > Cc: WILLIS COOKE <[email protected]>; DAVID M GRAY JR <[email protected]>; Rick > Hiller <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BVARC] Slightly Off Topic - SHTF - Water Budget - source > of inexpensive jugs > > I think that grey-water is the polite term for dish water, but black-water is > the polite term for the rest of it. > > Cookie > > From: Rick Hiller via BVARC <[email protected]> > To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> > Cc: Rick Hiller <[email protected]>; DAVID M GRAY JR <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BVARC] Slightly Off Topic - SHTF - Water Budget - source of > inexpensive jugs > > I wonder what the impolite term for grey water is? > > Sent from my eye doo hickey > > On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Jon Livingston kb0mnm via BVARC <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Folks, >> I think that it is safe to say that as men and usually of a 'boy scout >> mentality' that most ( not all ) are interested in 'survivalism' or being >> prepared. Ditto the ladies. >> That said, give a little thought to what happens to the other end of the >> water situation. The polite term for used water that can still have use is >> 'Gray-water", meaning that it might be suitable for watering plants- yet >> cannot be relied upon to be safe for drinking (potable). >> If you have thoughts about saving water that could be processed by >> distillation ( solar still, etc. ), consider cleaning and hanging on to the >> bottles which contain: >> Kitty Litter ( rinse well ), Bottled juice, etc. especially if these can be >> kept out of the sun- Algae forms w/o dillute bleach or other chemicals. >> >> on a separate note, only related to a recent repeater conversation: >> Why are we not sending folks to Mars? >> The answer is pretty simple: propulsion and life support. Visit the NASA >> educational facility nearby and they will tell you about both. >> Propulsion: They are working on ways to avoid previously used and >> inefficient systems. Ion-propulsion will probably be a candidate. The fuels >> previously used would have to be available in quantities greater than what >> the earth could hold ( let alone provide ) if used in the way done before. >> The big problem is that the weight of the fuel carried gets greater and >> greater for larger 'payloads', problematic -particularly when breaking the >> earth's gravity. >> Life Support: While we can support 'rebreathing' ( re-use of oxygen by >> recycling carbon dioxide chemically ), the process would have to be much >> more reliable before any one person would consider risking the use of >> re-breathing for a number of years. Our rockets ( now) are fast, yet Mars is >> far away. Same for water and food. >> >> 73 de KB0MNM- Jon- back to looking for work.... I want to survive also... >> >> >> From: "DAVID M GRAY JR via BVARC" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: "BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Cc: "DAVID M GRAY JR" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:55:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Slightly Off Topic - SHTF - Water Budget - source of >> inexpensive barrels >> >> Tractor Supply has a nice 500 gal poly tank for water. >> I explored the idea of keeping kerosene for cooking but charcoal smells a >> lot better. >> Canned goods go out of date pretty fast; dry beans,rice last a long time >> if you can keep bugs and critters away. >> David, K5HEC >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Bill Crowell, N4HPG via BVARC <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> All, >> >> When we do our disaster planning, we’re pretty good about having a power >> budget for radios. We might have a food budget, but few have a reasonable >> water budget. How many days can you go without municipal water? >> >> If your SHTF plan involves a lot of dried rice and beans, you need even MORE >> water. >> >> The municipal water for our neighborhood is supplied by a pumping station on >> FM518 with a ground-mounted electric pump. If that pump fails or loses >> power, we don’t have water. >> >> I’ve recently acquired a couple of 55-gallon, food-grade barrels from a very >> nice seller on eBay. His website is houstonbarrels.com >> <http://houstonbarrels.com/>. Mine were used to transport vinegar. I’ve just >> cleaned them and sanitized with bleach and will be adding taps so that >> gravity can do the pouring. Having 110 gallons of water is a really good >> thing. >> >> NOW a couple of things: >> 1. It is unlawful for Mike to sell you food barrels for potable water. But, >> he won’t follow you home to see what you’re going to use them for. I just >> said I want them for “fluid storage”. >> >> 2. If you do intend to store potable water, it is imperative that you do so >> properly as bad water can make you very ill. I use some bleach. >> >> 73 >> >> Bill Crowell, N4HPG >> Pearland, TX >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> I prefer to live a life of galvanic isolation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> <http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> <http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> <http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> > > _______________________________________________ > BVARC mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > <http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > BVARC mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > <http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > BVARC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Bill Crowell, N4HPG Pearland, TX [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> I prefer to live a life of galvanic isolation.
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