So Mike,  
What is the other reason for not living in VK:
Too many rabbits or Brown Snakes or that you can now get Budweiser on tap in a 
pub?  

Thanks.  Rick.  W5RH



> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Ravi Patrick Ratnala via BVARC 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> That’s a nice deal!  I’d grab a 7300 myself if I could get that deal now.
> 
> And on cheap HF radios:  I paid $579 for my FT-891,  brand new.  Fantastic 
> radio with a “full” 100 watts.  It’s become my go-to travel / field rig.
> 
> And since I’m here, +1 against another arbitrary administrative agency money 
> grab.
> 
> 73, N5OL
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith NM5G via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> > Oh, and only a $1000 for an HF radio???
>> I bought a repack IC-7300 from MTC for $1000, tax and shipping included.  
>> Plus, I got a $100 rebate check from Icom a month later.
>>  
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>>  
>> From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Amos via BVARC
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:19 PM
>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>
>> Cc: Michael Amos <[email protected]>; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>>  
>> I agree however lets look at the more damaging picture here.  How many 
>> possible new hams will turn away with the thought of having to now pay $65 
>> to get his/her first license instead of the $15 to take the test.  All those 
>> kids whose dreams were smashed.  I know it’s only $50 but for that parent 
>> who is a little skittish about paying the government MORE money, that might 
>> be the turn-off.
>>  
>> Also, don’t forget that once the government gets that running again…. What’s 
>> to stop them from increasing it? Where is the end to this?  Picture paying 
>> $100, $200, or more to just renew.  And what are they going to do with the 
>> money?  Maybe help track down illegal transmitters on the bands? Like those 
>> folks playing nasty recordings with vulgarity, etc? OR, maybe they could put 
>> a halt on trying to take away the frequencies that are already there. How 
>> about crack down on manufacturers that produce RF splattering equipment to 
>> the general public. Or, even better, how bout pushing the power companies to 
>> do a better job keeping their lines from generating so much RF you cant even 
>> hear the NATURAL static.
>>  
>> Just my soapbox. Sorry for opening it…  Oh, and only a $1000 for an HF 
>> radio???  Lol   😊
>>  
>>  
>> Mike – KG4NDS
>>  
>>  
>> From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JP Pritchard via BVARC
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:01 PM
>> To: 'BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB' <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>>  
>> Okay KJ, I get your humor and I even hear your logic. But the question is 
>> Why charge such a fee? Sure, it’s not a lot of money for many of us, but for 
>> a lot of amateurs who are retired, or who’ve lost their job thanks to 
>> Covid-19, there’s always somebody looking for another 50 bucks or another 
>> 25. New hams face a bunch of expenses already, for new gear, etc. It’s like 
>> a lot of the permit fees a person is asked to pay. Why are you charged these 
>> fees? Mostly it’s just government at one level or another looking for 
>> another source of revenue. The FCC is already clearing billions of dollars 
>> by selling large chunks of spectrum to the wireless business. Another 50 
>> bucks will mean nothing to Uncle Sam, but may have meaning for someone who’s 
>> just scrapin’ by.
>>  
>> JP
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of KJ Anderson via BVARC
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 4:51 PM
>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>; 'john Parmalee' 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Cc: KJ Anderson <[email protected]>; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>>  
>> Here’s how I see it:
>> $1000 for an HF radio
>> $1000 for a second/backup/whatever spare HF radio (most of us don’t have 
>> just one decent radio, be honest)
>> $5000 for a modest tower, concrete, etc.
>> $2000 in an actual antenna, feed line, rotator, etc.
>> $1000 for two cars fully installed with mobile VHF/UHF radios and antennas
>> $500 for a gas generator and battery backups (some of us)
>> $300 a year for field day supplies, the camping trip, food, conventions, etc.
>>  
>> If the FCC bills us $50 every 10 years (your license is now good for 10 
>> years due to the 2019 rule change), I’m not sure I can stay in this hobby 
>> any longer, the costs of the FCC will make this hobby too cost prohibitive 
>> for me….
>>  
>> A bit of tongue-in-cheek for a Saturday afternoon.
>>  
>> 73!!
>>  
>> KJ5EMP, KJ in Cypress
>>  
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> KJ Anderson
>> 253-380-2636
>> www.linkedin.com/in/scrumnerd
>>  
>> From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JP Pritchard via BVARC
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:18 PM
>> To: 'john Parmalee' <[email protected]>; 'BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB' 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>>  
>> I’m new to this game, but as far as I am aware, the FCC does very little to 
>> support amateur radio, with the exception of allowing hams to use certain 
>> frequencies. This would appear to be nothing more than a money grab, having 
>> nothing to do with cost of administration, (since it sounds like most of the 
>> administration is automated). They certainly contribute very little to 
>> enforcing their own rules. I don’t mind paying for a toll road if I’m a 
>> user, but a toll road requires constant upkeep and upgrades. I don’t see the 
>> parallel to amateur radio. I hope the ARRL gathers its forces against this 
>> proposal (to the extent that its bylaws allow) and supports all ancillary 
>> efforts to kill this effort. That’s just my initial thought on the matter. 
>> Tell me why I’m wrong.
>>  
>> 73, K5JPP, JP
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> from: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of john Parmalee via BVARC
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 2:27 PM
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; 
>> [email protected]
>> Cc: john Parmalee <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [BVARC] FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>>  
>> FCC Proposes to Reinstate Amateur Radio Service Fees
>> 
>> 08/28/2020
>> 
>> Amateur radio licensees would pay a $50 fee for each amateur radio license 
>> application if the FCC adopts rules it proposed this week. Included in the 
>> FCC’s fee proposal are applications for new licenses, renewal and upgrades 
>> to existing licenses, and vanity call sign requests. Excluded are 
>> applications for administrative updates, such as changes of address, and 
>> annual regulatory fees.
>> 
>> The FCC proposal is contained in a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in 
>> MD Docket 20-270, which was adopted to implement portions of the “Repack 
>> Airwaves Yielding Better Access for Users of Modern Services Act” of 2018 — 
>> the so-called “Ray Baum’s Act.”
>> 
>> The Act requires that the FCC switch from a Congressionally-mandated fee 
>> structure to a cost-based system of assessment. In its NPRM, the FCC 
>> proposed application fees for a broad range of services that use the FCC’s 
>> Universal Licensing System (ULS), including the Amateur Radio Service that 
>> had been excluded by an earlier statute. The 2018 statute excludes the 
>> Amateur Service from annual regulatory fees, but not from application fees.
>> 
>> “[A]pplications for personal licenses are mostly automated and do not have 
>> individualized staff costs for data input or review,” the FCC said in its 
>> NPRM. “For these automated processes — new/major modifications, renewal, and 
>> minor modifications — we propose a nominal application fee of $50 due to 
>> automating the processes, routine ULS maintenance, and limited instances 
>> where staff input is required.”
>> 
>> The same $50 fee would apply to all Amateur Service applications, including 
>> those for vanity call signs. “Although there is currently no fee for vanity 
>> call signs in the Amateur Radio Service, we find that such applications 
>> impose similar costs in aggregate on Commission resources as new 
>> applications and therefore propose a $50 fee,” the FCC said.
>> 
>> The FCC is not proposing to charge for administrative updates, such as 
>> mailing address changes for amateur applications, and amateur radio will 
>> remain exempt from annual regulatory fees. “For administrative updates [and] 
>> modifications, which also are highly automated, we find that it is in the 
>> public interest to encourage licensees to update their [own] information 
>> without a charge,” the FCC said.
>> 
>> The FCC also proposes to assess a $50 fee for individuals who want a printed 
>> copy of their license. “The Commission has proposed to eliminate these 
>> services — but to the extent the Commission does not do so, we propose a fee 
>> of $50 to cover the costs of these services,” the FCC said.
>> 
>> The Ray Baum’s Act does not exempt filing fees in the Amateur Radio Service. 
>> The FCC dropped assessment of fees for vanity call signs several years ago.
>> 
>> Deadlines for comments and reply comments will be determined once the NPRM 
>> appears in the Federal Register. File comments by using the FCC’s Electronic 
>> Comment Filing System (ECFS), posting to MD Docket No. 20-270. This docket 
>> is already open for accepting comments even though deadlines have not yet 
>> been set.
>> 
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