Sorry, I meant Jonathan is correct. - Jeff
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:23 PM Jonathan Guthrie, KA8KPN via BVARC < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm not saying anything. I asked a question. > > I've heard that you're supposed to get a permit before constructing a > tower, even in the country. Is that true? I have no idea. > > A permit is just a piece of paper. I don't really care about it because > it probably doesn't matter. What does matter is whether or not you took > appropriate care in the design of your tower and antenna. Truth be told, I > don't really care about that, either, but you should. Look, the human race > has spent many hundreds of years figuring out how to make tall things that > don't fall over. To that end, techniques have been established for > constructing towers (just to pick an example at random) that aren't likely > to fall over except under the most extreme circumstances. If you don't > know what conditions would cause your tower to fall, then you should find > that out and determine if those conditions are likely to happen. I happen > to know a fellow who did not take proper care building a tower and antenna > system very much like yours and his tower fell over and damaged his house. > I wouldn't want to be that guy. > > Another understanding I have is that there are legal requirements for > setbacks and such that are intended to make sure that your tower can't harm > your neighbors even in the event of a failure. Part of the permitting > process is to make sure all such legal requirements are met. Meeting those > requirements can help keep you out of trouble should bad things occur. You > may not be able to move to someplace that doesn't have an HOA, but you > probably can choose a house that has a yard big enough to hold a modest > tower. > > Neal, please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying that you did > anything wrong. I'm mostly writing to the other people who might be > reading this and thinking about putting up a tower. If this is you, please > get some help if you don't know what you're doing. Actually, I think you > should probably get some help even if you do. A second pair of eyes can > make for some cheap reassurance, and a second set of hands will definitely > make the work easier. > On 3/31/2022 10:45 AM, Neal Naumann via BVARC wrote: > > I would plead Ingorance to permits. I grew up in "the country " . I > never heard of getting a permit to do stuff. I just do it. > > Are you saying I need a permit to put up a TV antenna? I imagine I will > look for direction if that is the case. But not until it seems to really > matter. > > Neal N5EN > > > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > ------------------------------ > *From:* BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> on > behalf of Jonathan Guthrie, KA8KPN via BVARC <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:17:26 AM > *To:* Neal Naumann via BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jonathan Guthrie, KA8KPN <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] masts & towers > > > Did you permit the project to erect a tower and antenna? > On 3/31/2022 9:41 AM, Neal Naumann via BVARC wrote: > > A TV antenna is permitted by law (which was drafted by the advertisers > running ads on the over the air television stations). My Hygain TH-3JRS > is is TV antenna. 33 feet is a height I require for good reception. > > A flagpole is permitted by law. If you choose to run a wire to it is your > choice. > > 73, > > Neal N5EN > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> on > behalf of Jeff Greer via BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2022, 9:16 AM > *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jeff Greer <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] masts & towers > > Well, my CC&Rs are not vague - they say explicitly no antennas unless > we're required to allow the antenna by law. Having said that, I already > have an antenna for HF. There will be one for VHF and UHF. The question > is about how to build it... > > I think I've settled on doing the tetherball base. Now I just need to > figure out if it will be a push up mast, a crank up mast, a tilt over mast, > or some combination, and I need to figure out what to make it out of... > Lighter is better, I think, as it'll be less likely to cause damage should > it ever blow over (or get knocked over). I may put this thing between my > house and the neighbor's house, and I don't want it breaking stuff. I was > looking at carbon fiber telescoping masts last night, and that may be a > good option. They're pricey, which I'm not thrilled about, but they are > supposedly stronger/stiffer than aluminum. > > -j > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Neal Naumann <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2022 7:05 AM > *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jeff Greer <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: masts & towers > > If you attend any area Hamfest with an ARRL forum, John Stratton N5AUS > (ARRL board member and civil trial attorney) will tell you that an HOA is > no excuse for putting up an antenna. He can feed you ammunition if there > is an issue with your HOA. > > My HOA has a vague statement about antennas 10 ft higher than the highest > point on my house. With that in mind and a "it's better to ask forgiveness > than permission " attitude, for the past 20 years I have had antennas up to > 20 ft in height attached yp my chimney. This past year I got tired of > dealing with my extension ladder and put four sections of Motorola/ Rohn 35 > in the ground about 6 feet. So that's about 34 feet above ground. I > recently came across a good deal on a Hygain TH-3JRS and I also have a 4 > element 2 meter beam side mounted. > > I have never received a complaint... except for grass growing in the > sidewalk cracks. > > I also converted my 10 meter 5/8 wave Siro Toronado to a 30 meters and > it's mounted on a 10 ft pole, so that's also about 35' to the top. My 12 > meter diy vertical is also at about 30 feet. I'm working on a 60 meter > vertical that will use an insulated push-up pole that will be about 43' > high. > > According to N5AUS, all property owners in the United States are > guaranteed the right to display Ol' Glory. That flag pole can be 33 feet > tall and have coax attached. > > I hate stupid rules and enjoy pushing the limits. Some people drive the > speed limit - I never have. > > For those that say "don't buy a house in a HOA" - I challenge you to > purchase a (decent and reasonably priced) house in the Houston area, in an > acceptable school district, and close to work, that's not in an HOA. > > 73, > > Neal N5EN > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> on > behalf of Jeff Greer via BVARC <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 3:02 PM > *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jeff Greer <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [BVARC] masts & towers > > Hi, BVARC! > > I'm curious as to what others are doing for masts/towers. I'm in an HOA > ("no antennas") with a tiny little yard. Nobody has complained so far > about my homebrew "DX Commander" style fan vertical, which looks like a 31' > jackite pole (because that's pretty much what it is, with some 3d-printed > wire spreaders). I was holding that up w/ a 5' piece of 3/4 copper water > pipe driven halfway into the ground. Worked for several months, but the > wind finally bent the pipe. I have some 5' electrical conduit that looks a > little tougher, but I may resort to guying. The metal inside the bottom of > the fiberglass pole, I suspect, interferes with my 10m element, anyway... > > I'm also wanting to put my Ed Fong DBJ-1 (which looks like a 5' PVC pipe) > up with the feedpoint 25-30'. I picked up a couple of old tires, and I'm > thinking of filling one with concrete (think tetherball pole) and mounting > a couple of pieces of angle iron in the concrete, so I can drill holes, put > some sort of mast between them, and make a "tilt over" base/hinge for the > mast. Has anybody built a self-supporting (non-guyed) 30 foot mast out of, > say, some sort of stock from Home Depot/Lowe's? The internet has lots of > stories about using chain link fence top rail (10' sections), but most say > that 2 of those (20') is all you join before it gets super wobbly. Would > love to use some sort of square tube - maybe nesting sections - but not > sure where to get 10' sections, and not sure aluminum would be strong > enough or steel would be light enough... > > Anyway, that's where I am. I thought I'd float this out there to benefit > from the experience of those who have been there and done that. Hope y'all > can help me come up with something that will work while avoiding poor > choices that could cause damage or hurt somebody. > > Thanks! > > -Jeff, W5JEF > > > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing > [email protected]http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing > [email protected]http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >
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