That's the problem with 'contain' though ... even if I do use a hasOne
bind, 'contain' will still do extra queries.
In the example I mentioned, it will retrieve everything properly in 1
big query, but then it'll go back again and find the models listed in
'contain'.
On a default page of 20 records (since I'm doing pagination), where
each record has 4 extra models to find you're looking at 80 extra
unnecessary db hits ... multiply that by X users view the page and
you're looking at a lot of unnecessary queries. Sure it's just
milliseconds, but still quite concerning.

On Nov 5, 2:48 pm, teknoid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JOINS are only built for hasOne and belongsTo relationships.
> A bunch of little selects will not harm your DB (how many milliseconds
> do those queries take?)
>
> Are you displaying some list on the page? Maybe paginate is in order
> for this case?
>
> All that being said, if you are not happy with that and prefer a long
> JOIN query, you can always "trick" cake into building one, by using a
> temporary hasOne bind.
>
> On Nov 5, 5:08 pm, Brenton B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What might also help is a way to include recursion on only certain
> > associations - which can be done with 'contain', but again, 'contain'
> > is doing more db queries than it needs to.
>
> > On Nov 5, 11:38 am, Brenton B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > This is getting quite confusing/frustrating ...
>
> > > If I use 'contain' it's the equivalent of using 'unbind' (on the fly)
> > > on everything not listed in 'contain' (as described in the Cookbook);
> > > however, if I use 'contain', it seems to actually execute an extra
> > > query to get that corresponding information, regardless of association
> > > type.
>
> > > For example, list of members with countries (belongsTo), provinces
> > > (belongsTo), plus a whole bunch of other stuff: webpages, interests,
> > > etc.
>
> > > If I'm doing a listing, I just want name, country, and province, so I
> > > can either do unbind on everything I don't need, or use 'contain' on
> > > the things I do need .... 'contain' is the logical choice.
> > > The resulting query does a LEFT JOIN on countries and provinces just
> > > fine, but it ALSO does an extra query for every single country_id and
> > > province_id to get the name. So on a big long list I'm getting quite a
> > > few extra database hits.
>
> > > Is this supposed to do this? Because it goes against the Cookbook's
> > > comment of "Using Containable will help you cut down on needless wear
> > > and tear on your database".
>
> > > (This gets slightly worse once I go a level deeper.)
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