After a bit of digging setting the 'recursive' property in the model
_partially_ solves this:
var $actsAs = array('Containable' => array('recursive' => false));

However, obviously won't help where some items need a 2nd or 3rd
level.

So I guess it comes back to: is there any way to be model-specific for
recursion?

On Nov 5, 2:54 pm, Brenton B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's the problem with 'contain' though ... even if I do use a hasOne
> bind, 'contain' will still do extra queries.
> In the example I mentioned, it will retrieve everything properly in 1
> big query, but then it'll go back again and find the models listed in
> 'contain'.
> On a default page of 20 records (since I'm doing pagination), where
> each record has 4 extra models to find you're looking at 80 extra
> unnecessary db hits ... multiply that by X users view the page and
> you're looking at a lot of unnecessary queries. Sure it's just
> milliseconds, but still quite concerning.
>
> On Nov 5, 2:48 pm, teknoid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > JOINS are only built for hasOne and belongsTo relationships.
> > A bunch of little selects will not harm your DB (how many milliseconds
> > do those queries take?)
>
> > Are you displaying some list on the page? Maybe paginate is in order
> > for this case?
>
> > All that being said, if you are not happy with that and prefer a long
> > JOIN query, you can always "trick" cake into building one, by using a
> > temporary hasOne bind.
>
> > On Nov 5, 5:08 pm, Brenton B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > What might also help is a way to include recursion on only certain
> > > associations - which can be done with 'contain', but again, 'contain'
> > > is doing more db queries than it needs to.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 11:38 am, Brenton B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > This is getting quite confusing/frustrating ...
>
> > > > If I use 'contain' it's the equivalent of using 'unbind' (on the fly)
> > > > on everything not listed in 'contain' (as described in the Cookbook);
> > > > however, if I use 'contain', it seems to actually execute an extra
> > > > query to get that corresponding information, regardless of association
> > > > type.
>
> > > > For example, list of members with countries (belongsTo), provinces
> > > > (belongsTo), plus a whole bunch of other stuff: webpages, interests,
> > > > etc.
>
> > > > If I'm doing a listing, I just want name, country, and province, so I
> > > > can either do unbind on everything I don't need, or use 'contain' on
> > > > the things I do need .... 'contain' is the logical choice.
> > > > The resulting query does a LEFT JOIN on countries and provinces just
> > > > fine, but it ALSO does an extra query for every single country_id and
> > > > province_id to get the name. So on a big long list I'm getting quite a
> > > > few extra database hits.
>
> > > > Is this supposed to do this? Because it goes against the Cookbook's
> > > > comment of "Using Containable will help you cut down on needless wear
> > > > and tear on your database".
>
> > > > (This gets slightly worse once I go a level deeper.)
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