Fully agree. Well put, well thought out. Every sentence is right on.
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On Sat, 2/15/14, Rickey Holt <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Callers] A Call For Civility
 To: "'Caller's discussion list'" <[email protected]>
 Date: Saturday, February 15, 2014, 1:58 PM
 
 Greg,
 I am afraid I fine it ironic at the very least, for
 you  to call for a more
 civil discourse. Your tone has been so denigrating and
 disrespectful of
 others for so long that I too have been ignoring your posts
 pretty
 regularly. That is easy enough.  But when I read that a
 caller as well
 established as Martha Wild has not posted for a long time
 because of the
 treatment she received from you on this list, I am much more
 worried.  Far
 from encouraging an open exchange this is evidence that you
 have stifled it.
 As I remember it, folks posting here have tried to point
 this out to you
 several times in the past. 
 Moderators,
 I propose that Greg not be allowed to post here for perhaps
 a month. I do
 not take such a step lightly and rather than suppressing
 free speech, this
 would encourge it.
 Rickey Holt
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: [email protected]
 [mailto:[email protected]]
 On Behalf Of Greg McKenzie
 Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:28 PM
 To: Caller's discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Callers] A Call For Civility
 
 Lindsay wrote:
 
 > Well, you might want to walk this one back, then:
 >
 > >> "The dancers in your video look like a
 competent group of regulars 
 > >> who
 > are
 > >> able to adapt to poorly-structured calls
 quickly and graciously. 
 > >> I'm
 > sure
 > >> they have a lot of practice at it. I find it
 very productive to be 
 > >> more diligent in my own calling."
 >
 
 Alright.  I only watched part of the first video. 
 I didn't really note who
 the caller was.  And I certainly didn't mention any
 caller.  (The names of
 the callers were inserted into my post by a subsequent
 poster.  I never
 mentioned them.)  I was trying to make the point that
 this was a group of
 regular contra dancers, with few, if any, first-timers in
 the crowd.  Since
 there are no callers I know of who use structured calls
 regularly it is a
 sure bet that these folks have had lots of experience
 interpreting
 unstructured calls.
 
 I seldom call for such experienced groups. 
 Consequently I use structured
 calls more than most callers do to maintain the confidence
 of newcomers.  I
 should have been more clear in my post, and I should have
 anticipated that
 some folks might take it personally.  I'm sorry about
 that.  As a policy I
 try to avoid taking anything posted here personally unless
 it has my name on
 it.
 
 - Greg McKenzie
 West Coast, USA
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