Mr. Fuerst, I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have come across as crass and inappropriate.
Asking about shadow swings on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women dancers isn't. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems like > asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. > > Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 > > > > On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:41 PM, Michael Fuerst < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > One can also be miffed at having to repeatedly swing a shadow who one > finds very pleasant as a person, but just awkward to swing with (too tall, > too short, distributes his/her weight during a swing in a way that strains > some part of you). > > Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 > > > > On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:30 PM, Mac Mckeever via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree with Michael - I can't see any reason I would want to call a dance > with a shadow swing. If the rest of the dance is that good - modify it to > get rid of that swing. > > Chances are you are going to make at least one dancer very uncomfortable. > I avoid any figures that introduce that risk (not a big fan of men's chains > either). > > There are lots of great dances out there - so I don't see a need to > knowingly offend dancers with the few dances that contain risky figures. > Warning them ahead of time creates a very awkward situation on the floor > and someone is going to lose. > > Mac McKeever > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* Perry Shafran via Callers <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Shadow Swing Disclaimers? > > I'm going to go with Andrea's well-written note on this. I understand > that the goal is to prevent people from dancing with people who really make > them uncomfortable (i.e. creepers). However, if you suggest "if you need > to make changes, do so now", that will open up the potential for people to > refuse a shadow for ANY reason (they smell, they're too fat, they're too > old, they're not my BFF, they're the same gender, they're a beginner, > whatever), and that could cause a whole world of hurt - especially in a > community where we welcome all and celebrate differences in people. There > is no graceful way to do this, really, that I can think of. > > For the most part, if there is someone that a person does not want to > encounter in a dance, much less be a shadow, that person will find a > different line to dance in. At least that has been my experience. Callers > should not be encouraging people to find someone "better" than the potluck > shadow that they got. I would suggest not calling a dance with a shadow > swing - that would ward off potential problems with shadows people don't > want to swing and also prevent the hurt that would come with suggesting > people make changes for whatever reason. > > Perry > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Maia McCormick via Callers <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:06 AM > *Subject:* [Callers] Shadow Swing Disclaimers? > > Hey all, > > First, a disclaimer: Some people on this listserv thing shadow swings are > problematic. Some don't see any issue with them. This is NOT the > conversation I want to have in this thread; *I ask that you respond to > the question I'm asking and do not debate my premise--at least not in this > particular thread. *This should help keep this thread on track and > hopefully reduce excess noise and go-nowhere discussions on this listserv. > Thanks! > > Anyway, the actual question I wanted to ask (whew!)-- > > There do exist some really fabulous shadow-swing dances that I would love > to be able to call, as long as I could do so without putting anyone in an > uncomfortable position. Do folks have ideas for ways to mitigate the > potential harms of shadow swing dances? I was considering, at the beginning > of the dance, having dancers identify their shadow and mentioning, "this > will be a shadow swing dance, so if you need to make any changes, do so > now" (or something like that)--haven't gotten the wording down-pat, but the > idea is giving dancers advance warning of a shadow swing so they can move > (thereby changing their shadow) if they need to. Any thoughts on this > method? Suggestions of others? > > Cheers. > Maia > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > -- Luke Donforth [email protected] <[email protected]>
