Ron,

I keep on reading your writing and see that you often give only partial 
information.  What you write below is interesting:

> In New England, New York, Seattle, and the Bay Area, many callers have been 
> examining terminology and changing. Several dance series have gone genderfree 
> without being specifically chartered as LGBTQ dances. Not coincidentally, 
> these dances are thriving amidst a decline of attendance of contra in general.

My own preference is for you to give more information and not let us fill in 
the pieces.  For instance in the areas that you list above, was there a decline 
in attendance while callers were using calls like gypsy and other words like 
men and women?  If attendance did in fact dip, did it in fact pick up again 
when alternative words were used? Might be cause and effect or a correlation or 
simply coincidence.  

If attendance in these areas have always been strong then perhaps there is 
something else at work. 

Ive always expected contra dance to die simply because that's the way it works. 
 Come on!  Does anyone need me to spell this out?   If you don't believe me, Mr 
Spock, in one of the Star Trek movies once said, "all things must end" and I 
think he's pretty smart!
 
Ron, I must also ask you about what you wrote below.  It's not perfectly clear 
and of course nobody is named but my take is that some of us (or me?)have 
ruined your party by not going along with what you and others want?  Perhaps I 
don't understand.  Would you please care to explain?

> In the case of this original post, Rich was asking for practical advice, and 
> there *was no* argument until a couple choice people started throwing shade 
> at those of us who think changing the lyrics from "she was a young thing" to 
> "she was a young girl" is an easy swap that doesn't diminish the tradition, 
> but also reduces the objectification of women.

What does throwing shade mean?   Does it mean that the sun was shining on you 
and that someone blocked the sun?  I'm afraid my college degree is from an 
applied institution so I'd appreciate it if you could keep it simple for me in 
the future.

I've had very good conversations with Rich on and off the discussion group and 
feel that he shares many of my values.  Would you rather that I and others not 
participate?  Perhaps that is the primary reason that some of us aren't 
comfortable with PC.  Where does it end and what freedoms am I going to have to 
give up?  My memory is that this incredible discussion started with a complaint 
from ONE person.

Lastly let me suggest this after reading Jeffrey's very good email:  It may be 
that terms like gypsy (and of course others) are location dependent.  Here in 
Charlottesville and perhaps DC people don't really care for the gypsy issue.   
In other areas perhaps that's not the case.  On the English list people are 
reminded that folks from many countries are members and that we should keep 
this in mind.

You want fries with that?

Tom












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