Rich,

I'm not clear why Woody's question is directed to me.  And I see he's 
indicating that's this long involved conversation about terminology is related 
to creating a callerlab for contra.  I'm not clear on his thinking so I suppose 
I'll have to hear from him before honestly responding

This fear of having a contralab (which I believe actually exists or existed for 
western contra) has caused some concern for many of us for years.  Back in 2011 
I wrote a booklet on contra choreography and included a couple of pages on why 
that simply couldn't happen.  If I have the time I'll send it to y'all.

Tom HInds

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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Rich Sbardella <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> As a member of Callerlab for 25 years, I can answer Woody's question with a 
> definitive "NO".
> 
> Callerlab does offer many benefits, but it has its drawbacks as well.  
> Standardization was supposed to be a good thing, and perhaps in the MWSD 
> world that is more good than bad, but it also diminishes the regional 
> differences of dance, and limits the expression and flexibilities of callers. 
>  There is also an organization called ContraLab, and thankfully its reach is 
> limited.
> 
> Rich Sbardella
> Stafford, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Tom Hinds via Callers 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Woody, I really don't understand your question.  Please connect the dots.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Woody Lane via Callers 
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> > Earlier this year in Eugene, a caller was struggling with trying to be 
>> > extra careful with alternative terms for gypsy. She referred to the 
>> > "g-word" and then tried using other terms. She was actually trying to 
>> > demonstrate something else on the floor. The crowd said in a friendly way 
>> > but very clearly -- we don't care, just use the word "gypsy"! And then she 
>> > did, people relaxed, and the evening progressed smoothly.
>> >
>> > The intensity and animus of these conversations may have unintended 
>> > long-term consequences in the contra dance world. Does anyone really want 
>> > to establish the contra equivalent of Callerlab?
>> >
>> > Woody
>> >
>> >> On 3/28/2018 11:58 AM, Tom Hinds via Callers wrote:
>> >> I've had very good conversations with Rich on and off the discussion 
>> >> group and feel that he shares many of my values. Would you rather that I 
>> >> and others not participate? Perhaps that is the primary reason that some 
>> >> of us aren't comfortable with PC. Where does it end and what freedoms am 
>> >> I going to have to give up? My memory is that this incredible discussion 
>> >> started with a complaint from ONE person.
>> >> Lastly let me suggest this after reading Jeffrey's very good email:  It 
>> >> may be that terms like gypsy (and of course others) are location 
>> >> dependent.  Here in Charlottesville and perhaps DC people don't really 
>> >> care for the gypsy issue.   In other areas perhaps that's not the case.  
>> >> On the English list people are reminded that folks from many countries 
>> >> are members and that we should keep this in mind.
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