surprise after for thousand years all kings & queens and leaders owned the whole nations and amassed wealths whilst pple work so hard can't get a bolw of meal, i really appreciate ur input.
corruption in cambodia is not a culture of only cambodia it is pple' cultures. corruption is everywhere and in develop nations like usa and european. cambodia has too many general with many stars never been in schools, they report to the vietnamese, the vietnamese put them on top as ears and eyes. they are corrupted from fathers to children. it is a cold war the vietnamese use. to keep cambodia remains under develop nation. corruption can be decreased but can't be eliminated. this bozo kangaro knew what? bulshit, who needs moral school from u? On Aug 26, 8:23 pm, Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sadly as usual this discussion has descended into a tit for tat name > calling session. I hope the nom de plume "destinyformankind" is a sick > joke or god help us. Oh! and by the way check where your fingers have > been. > As "kangaroo" stated originally corruption is unfortunately a cultural > problem. If not, why do so many Cambodians who no not live in Cambodia > engage in the practice?. Admittedly not to the same extent as is done > in Cambodia (and a lot of other countries) but with the advantage of > free heath cover, pensions, reasonable if not well paid jobs and > social services do the still feel it is necessary to try to "cheat the > system". Registering the vehicle in grandma's name for the pensioner > discount, using her pension card to obtain healthcare and medicine > discounts, putting the pensioner member of the family as house owners > name to obtain utility discounts etc. Whilst it may be considered > "smart" and may be at the lower end of the corruption scale it non the > less is a form of corruption. Then of course there are the immigration > "experts" who for a not inconsiderable amount will "jump the queue" > for you. > Surprisingly these practices take place without any Vietnamese > influence, how could that possibly be?. > This of course does not address the problem as it exists within > Cambodia. Human nature being what it is if you can see someone higher > up the tree getting away with it the chances are you will give it a > try. This means that if those at the top of the tree are unable or > unwilling to engage in corrupt practices they will make damn sure > those lower down will not do it either. > Unfortunately the hope that foreign educated Cambodians returning to > Cambodia will help to curb corruption is a false hope, as many of > those returning use their better education to engage in more > sophisticated forms of corruption. > As foreign tourism has become a major part of the Cambodian economy > corruption is becoming a well known disincentive to overseas visitors. > Why does a $20 entry visa suddenly become $25? and prices for known > price items change determined by your language. > > On Aug 27, 12:10 am, เดช <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > bozo kangaroo. u r a refugee a homeless. i know cambodia like my own > > fingers. > > > On Aug 26, 9:04 am, kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now you are showing the real destructive element of the Cambodian > > > soicety. > > > Reread you comments. > > > At first, you were doing very good by sticking to subject presented. > > > Then you say something completely out of the context because you can't > > > win the original. > > > Cambodian people do that all the time. > > > They try bully themselves and destroy the others when they cannot win. > > > How dum can it be? > > > Yet do you call that a country? > > > That's idiots. > > > > On Aug 26, 6:53 am, เดช <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > bozo kangaroo. > > > > u r a refugee ur citizenship doesn't make you a yanki when the white > > > > supremacy look at you, u r always a homeless to them. > > > > i have breakfast in pp, drink beer in sv, dinner in bangkok, and see > > > > movie in singapore every day, i knew what it likes. > > > > your record is not matched what has been happening in the region. > > > > don't spend time to preach me, bozo. to me and to the supremacy, u r a > > > > homeless. > > > > > On Aug 25, 10:35 pm, kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What does Cambodians from the outside have anything to do with > > > > > Cambodia. > > > > > Your comment is an insult to the Cambodian intelligence. They are not > > > > > as stupid as you think. > > > > > The Cambodian people have the knowledge and power to do it. The only > > > > > thing that they lack is an honest leader who can put it together so > > > > > they can participate. Today, CPP has been doing it. That's why no > > > > > other parties have earned the real trust from the Cambodian people > > > > > yet. > > > > > Cambodia today is not like Cambodia thirty years ago. > > > > > Cambodian youth today is far more educated and live far modern as many > > > > > people from the outside think. > > > > > The notion of Cambodians from the outside to teach them is another > > > > > insult to their intelligence. > > > > > Remember! This kind of rhetorics fuel the division notion to destroy > > > > > Cambodia. Cambodian peasants felt this way for a very long time. Upper > > > > > class Cambodians always looked down to those poor people.That was why > > > > > they revenged when they were elevated to the upper class by the > > > > > KhmerRouge. > > > > > Here it is again. "Vietnamese is running Cambodia." is just another > > > > > insult to the Cambodian intelligence. > > > > > Can Cambodians not able to run their own country except those from the > > > > > outside? > > > > > Cambodian people would never allowed that kind of notion to run their > > > > > lives. > > > > > My friend, > > > > > Don't think that you know alot because you live outside of Cambodia. > > > > > > Now you don't believe that it is a culture of the Cambodian culture. > > > > > Sihanouk lead the country for a very long time in the 60s. Were > > > > > Vietnamese there too. > > > > > Lon Nol ran the country in the first half of the 70s. Were Vietnamese > > > > > there too? > > > > > Khmer Rouge destroyed the country in the second half of the 70s. Were > > > > > Vietnamese there too? > > > > > Now, Hun Sen lead the country for a while. Have Vitnamese been there > > > > > too? > > > > > The bad part of Cambodia is the fault of Vietnamese. > > > > > Are only good parts belonged to Cambodia? > > > > > > On Aug 25, 9:08 am, เดช <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > the change cannot be within, it has to be from cambodian outside. > > > > > > they > > > > > > shoud help the new ones to get a head in education. > > > > > > the new ones can be changed but no the ones are inside. the generals > > > > > > never been in school with stars report to the vietnamese, and they > > > > > > are > > > > > > the eyes and ears of the vietnamese, they are corrupted and their > > > > > > children are the same. the vietnamese promoted them to top and they > > > > > > report to the vietnamese that's how it is. it is not cambodian > > > > > > culture, it is a cold war of the vietnamese to keep cambodia under > > > > > > develppment. get rid of the under develpped mind like chau bury who > > > > > > speaks only fools to destroy the image of cambodia, cambodia can get > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 10:17 am, kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My friend, > > > > > > > Corruption and impunity in Cambodia are not just being practiced > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > these few people. > > > > > > > These things have been a part of the Cambodian culture. They > > > > > > > practice > > > > > > > it religiously from the bottom to the top of the society. There > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > classes. There are power. There are richness and poor. > > > > > > > These are elements of the Cambodian corruption and impunity. > > > > > > > The Cambodian society as the whole must change their culture if > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > want to minimize corruption and eliminate impunity. > > > > > > > When are they going to do? > > > > > > > Probably never. > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 4:16 am, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hun Chea, a nephew of Cambodia's prime minster, was speeding > > > > > > > > along a busy downtown street a few days ago when he ran down a > > > > > > > > man on a motorbike. > > > > > > > > Phnom Penh's streets are teeming with motorbikes, hundreds of > > > > > > > > them, criss-crossing busy traffic without seeming to look or > > > > > > > > care where they are going. Collisions are inevitable. But > > > > > > > > that's not the point of this story. > > > > > > > > Hun was tearing down the street at high speed when he hit the > > > > > > > > biker, witnesses reported, and his car ripped off an arm and a > > > > > > > > leg. The biker, Sam Sabo, was killed. Hun began to drive off, > > > > > > > > but running over the motorbike had shredded a tire. He had to > > > > > > > > pull over, so there he sat in his big black Cadillac Escalade > > > > > > > > SUV. > > > > > > > > Now, listen to how the Phnom Penh Post newspaper described the > > > > > > > > events that followed. > > > > > > > > "Numerous traffic police were seen avoiding the accident scene, > > > > > > > > but armed military police arrived. They removed the SUV's > > > > > > > > license plates and comforted Hun Chea" while Sam Sabo lay > > > > > > > > bleeding to death in the street. A military policeman was > > > > > > > > overheard telling Hun: "'Don't worry. It wasn't your mistake. > > > > > > > > It was the motorbike driver's mistake.'" A few days later, Hun > > > > > > > > gave the dead man's family $4,000 in hush money, the paper > > > > > > > > reported.. Case closed. > > > > > > > > It's no secret that Cambodia is thoroughly corrupt. As an > > > > > > > > indirect result, the rich and the powerful can commit, well, > > > > > > > > murder and face few if any repercussions. > > > > > > > > A primary rule of foreign correspondence is to avoid applying > > > > > > > > the values of your own country on the nation you are covering. > > > > > > > > But then, some events appear so outrageous that the rule does > > > > > > > > not apply. > > > > > > > > Police actually removed the car's license plates, to conceal > > > > > > > > the driver's identity? So I asked Khieu Kanarith, Cambodia's > > > > > > > > information minister, about the case. He fumbled about for a > > > > > > > > moment and then explained, "I understand he had his wife in the > > > > > > > > car, and I don't think he was paying attention to what he was > > > > > > > > doing." OK, but the police removed the license plates? Khieu > > > > > > > > had to think about that for a moment but finally managed to > > > > > > > > say, "You try to cover the plates because it's harder to sell a > > > > > > > > car if it's been in an accident." As a reporter, sometimes it's > > > > > > > > hard to keep a straight face. But then, being Cambodia's > > > > > > > > information minister is a tough job. > > > > > > > > Later I asked Joseph Mussomeli, the U.S. ambassador, about > > > > > > > > this, and he shook his head. > > > > > > > > "This goes to the whole culture of impunity here. Who you are, > > > > > > > > who you know, is more important than following the law. And the > > > > > > > > police are too intimidated, too deferential, to the wealthy and > > > > > > > > powerful." Why else would the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
