If you like the acts like that, you are one of those who destroy their own country. That's right. Cambodians killed and destroyed their own nation. Then they blame it on Vietnamese, Thailand, USA etc..... Where is the responsibilities? Cambodians killed and destroyed their own nation with their own hands in their own country. It took an invasion from Vietnam to liberate their own people from their own people. The blame should be on those people. That's right. They are the Cambodian people who are trying to destroy their own peole. That's right. They are the people always want to divide the country like Sam Rainsy and many others.
What kind of people are they? On Aug 28, 4:32 pm, "sacravatoons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear DAZ, > I like your comments that make a lot of sense. > But pls you just tone down to debate with those who like Khmers to thank > Yuon-Hanoi. > Even we all had known that our neighbor from East,Yuon-Hanoi had burned our > house, > fought & trained Khmer Rouge to kill khmer ....before 1970 the Khmer-Rouge > group were > just a bunch of Khmer-Leftists . > Yuon had collaborated with Khmer Rouge for the Crime against humanity, > Khnmer-People,the genocide > of Killing Field,1975-1979.....and Yuon-Hanoi had continued the second wave > of the Killing Field under the name > of " K5 "which were caused of khmer-lives,250,000 (according to Laukta Pen > Sovann ). > Some died and some are still alive until today....but they are the silence > witnesses of this crime. > Pls be patient.Thanks. > > Cheers, > Bun H. > > fuck all these debates! Nothing is gonna change! Fuck thais..fuck > viets..and fuck cambodian politics...Im sick to death with hearing this shit > all the fuckin time! > who gives a fuck now! Im khmer and our country has alot of issues cuz > fuckin politics are greedy! > They dont care about the people! And fuck man..I know ive escaped the > genocide of pol pot..but fuck sakes...how many pol pot souljahs had compared > to those who were killed? why didnt the innocent khmais just gang bash those > pol pot fuckers? they wouldve easily out numbered those fuckaz...but > instead..they rather get killed! > > I lost most of my family in that war! But the past is the past! Lets just > live our lives! Cuz whether u like it or not! this world is guna end with a > war that will never end between the americans and the muslim society! > Fuck em all! khmer rouge supporters can suck on my cambodian cock! Thais > can be ladyboys for the westerners..and viets...you guys are pathetic also! > ur country is like ours anyways...so dont think ur better than us khmers! > Least we have alot of history behind us! what is vietnam known for? The world > only knows vietnam for the war u pussies had! > we are known for the historical temples...our empire of south east asia! > BEAT THAT FUCKHEADS! > > GO EAT A DICK! > > PEACE OUT YALL! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:37:13 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > To: [email protected] > > But Thailand wants our land and temples! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) > -www.cambodia.org<[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:27:26 AM > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > No, Cambodians need to join Thailand because their leadership under > great Thai monarchy will bring peace to Cambodia instead of fighting > each other. > The threat of theCambodian people are Vietnamese or any outside > influences. It is the people of Cambodia themselves. They have been > destroying their own country for a very long time. > It was not the Vietnamese who destroyed Cambodia. > It is the Cambodians themselves. > > On Aug 27, 4:16 pm, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Cambodia seeks to become China's little brother. Do we really need to > worry about the Siems and the Yuons? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mekong River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:23:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > > Ly Monysar - I have been very frustrated to see the snail-pace trial > taking place. But I say to you now there is no time for revenge among Khmer.. > We must move on. It is very disturbing to read your thirst for revenge. > Reconiliation doesn't start with talk of revenge like this. > > > It happened 30 years ago. Time is also a kind of medicine in the healing > process. I advocate the trial, albeit imperfect, but let's be realistic, we > would have no cells for the Ex-KR cadres. A few top people would be enough > for me. Then some form of truth finding commission should be set up for > serious historical study so Khmer can learn from the past. > > > The survival of the Khmer nation now is at stake - much more important > than the trial. The siems and the yuons are threatening our survival on a > daily basis. > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If Sok Chear had her way, she would slice the elderly man into ribbons > and pour salt into his wounds. She would beat him up and torture him and give > him electric shocks to make him talk. > > For Ly Monysar, "Only killing them will make me feel calm. I want them to > suffer the way I suffered. I say this from the heart." > > Sok Chear, an office worker, and Ly Monysar, a security guard, are two of > the millions of Cambodians who suffered for four years in the late 1970s > under the brutal Communist Khmer Rouge, who caused the deaths of 1.7 million > people. > > Today, three decades later, five aging former Khmer Rouge leaders have > been arrested and are awaiting trial. And Sok Chear and Ly Monysar have an > innovative role to play in the tribunal, where the first case is expected to > get under way this autumn. > > They are two of hundreds of people who have applied to the court to be > recognized officially as victims of the Khmer Rouge and to bring parallel > civil cases against them. > > They will have the chance, not to beat and torture them but to seek > symbolic reparations - a monument, perhaps, or a museum or a trauma center. > > It is a controversial experiment in this unusual hybrid tribunal, which > is administered jointly by the United Nations and the Cambodian government, > cobbling together elements of both local and international law. > > "For the first time in history the internal rules of a tribunal will give > victims of crimes the possibility to participate as parties," said Gabriela > González Rivas, deputy head of the tribunal's victims unit. > > Victims have been included in other comparable tribunals like the > International Court of Justice, but their role has been more limited. > > As civil parties, the victims here will have standing comparable to those > of the accused, including the rights to participate in the investigation, to > be represented by a lawyer, to call witnesses and to question the accused at > trial, according to a court statement. > > "Participation in these types of proceedings is a tool of empowerment," > Rivas said. "People can tell their story, feel that what happened to them is > a consideration, a recognizing that what happened to them shouldn't have > happened." > > The inclusion of victims is part of the evolution and refining of the > mechanisms of international justice, said Diane Orentlicher, special counsel > of the Open Society Justice Initiative, in an interview by telephone from New > York. > > "There has been a growing recognition, after 15 years of international > and hybrid courts like this one, not to exclude victims from the justice that > is being dispensed on their behalf," she said. "This is one of the frontier > issues in ongoing efforts to improve ways in which war crimes trials are > carried out." > > The Cambodia tribunal has been criticized for compromising international > standards of justice with its awkward admixture of Cambodian law and its > vulnerability to manipulation by the country's strongman, Prime Minister Hun > Sen. > > The participation of victims is drawing more criticism, partly from > people concerned for the rights of the accused and the preservation of the > presumption of innocence. > > Victor Koppe, a defense attorney for one of the Khmer Rouge leaders, > called the presumption of innocence "the most fundamental issue" in a case > whose defendants have already found a place in history books as the > perpetrators of the killings. > > "The question is whether or not everything in this tribunal is > institutionalized in such a way that only guilty verdicts can come," he said. > > Other critics say the court is being distracted by social agendas from > its core task of seeking justice for crimes against humanity. > > "I would put this under the category of therapeutic legalism," said Peter > Maguire, a specialist in international justice and author of "Facing Death in > Cambodia." > > "The task of an international criminal court is to convict the guilty and > exonerate the innocent," he said. "To ask more of it than that is asking way > too much of any criminal trial." > > For many people, though, these related benefits are the main purpose of > the trials in a country that has never fully come to grips with its tormented > past. > > The trials will offer a catharsis and a measure of healing, they say, and > will set a base line for an end to impunity in this still raw and sometimes > lawless country. > > "This is an invention of the 1990s where people freighted the trials with > all this baggage," said Maguire. "How do you measure closure, how do you > measure truth, how do you measure reconciliation? These are not empirical > categories." > > These added elements can also encumber an already tortuously slow > process, the critics say. > > Almost two years of the tribunal's budgeted three-year mandate have > passed since it was set up in August 2006, after nearly a decade of > contentious negotiation between the United Nations and the Cambodian > government. > > Nearly a year has passed since the first of the five defendants was > charged in the case.. A new budget has been submitted, and most analysts are > confident that more money will be found from international donors to extend > the life of the tribunal. But as Maguire put it, this court needs to get > hustling. > > So far, Rivas said, her office is processing about 1,300 applications to > participate from people who say they are victims. 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