Dear Khmer Young, Please stop worrying about the "Vietcamlao Federation". It'll never happen. Cambodians in Cambodia won't let it happen. The Laotians won't let it happen. To tell you the truth, I first heard the rumor of the "Indochinese Federation" when I was a kid in Phnom Penh. But I've never seen anything that may be considered as a sign toward that federation.
If Cambodia and Laos become satellite states of Vietnam, that doesn't mean that Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam are a single country. It means that Cambodia and Laos are surrounding subordinates of Vietnam but still are different countries from Vietnam. Thus the Vietcamlao federation is of no show. Of couse Cambodia and Laos will never let themselves become satellites of Vietnam. As for that Vietnamese named Phong, don't take him too seriously. Possibly he simply is trying to get attention or a 15-minute fame. Well Well, there are racists in every group. There are good and bad people in every country, in every society, even in every village. Pheng Kim Ving On Sep 12, 11:31 pm, Khmer Young <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Phen Kim Ving; > > I don't know what is in your head to conclude that the disclosure of > Vietcamlao is a racist slur. Of course, the word "Vietcamlao" > originated in a Vietnamese > bloghttp://ttxphongck.multiply.com/journal/item/237/237 > > And some of our Cambodians just elaborated and debated about it. But > why you think this is a racism? You forget to say that a Vietnamese > Phong who tried to publicize this plan is a racist towards Khmer or I > and Chetrasen are racist towards Vietnamese? > > However, though you like it or not, you have tendency towards > Vietnamese more than Khmer, or Khmer more than Vietnamese I don't > care; I care only that the trend of Vietcamlao is appearing provable > and testable within any contexts. I am really appreciate with this > fast advancing of Vietcamlao Federation by the Vietnamese leaders. > > If you have Khmer mind, please don't be jerk to debate this trend > publicly; and also if you have Vietamese mind, you have to accept the > truth, the truth that Vietnamese leaders and Uncle Ho have achieved > more than half about making Lao and Cambodia as their satellite states > through Federal Republic of Vietcamlao. > > Let cross your fingers for more debate on this issue. > > KY > > On Sep 12, 2:59 pm, "Bopha Angkor" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is same as polpot discourse regard to yuon people. Somewhat people have > > different level of regard to the same thing. Although yuons still hated > > polpot and end by eliminated polpot from the circulation. Good, don't forget > > to add in list that yuons are also good in worst cruelty and worse genocide > > in humain history against other people who are not yuons in the name of yuon > > glory in which to expand yuon big race and territory. Don't forget it is > > yuon most great quality. For yuons these barbaric act is not a crime, a > > racist or a worse cruel racial hatred. It only becomes racist or hatred, for > > yuons, while people denounce or dress yuons face to their responsibility > > for their acts or their terrible monstrousness. Remark, it is also one yuon > > great monstrous quality. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chetrasena" <[email protected]> > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:10 PM > > Subject: Re: Political Analysis Today > > > Gentleman. There is no racial hatred against Vietnam . Your allegation > > is completely wrong . This is an expression of opinion . People can > > express their opinion and voice their concern to a particular issue > > that mattered to him and to her . For instance, Cambodia is a > > Cambodian business . Everybody has the right to express their > > opinion . Do not misconstrue that we hate Vietnamese people . The > > Vietnamese people are wonderful, they are industrious, hardworking, > > intelligent and united . Through their history, they hated to be > > colonized .But they loved to colonize others when they see fit . From > > Cambodian side we were born with dislike attitude against the two East > > and West neighbors . Yes, historically speaking Cambodian people were > > tortured by them . That why our elders left some proverbs to remind us > > these two neighbors are not good, be vigilant " Siam Min Chol Khbuon > > Yuon Min Chol Put " > > > On Sep 12, 3:44 am, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Khmer Young. > > > > There's no such thing as Vietcamlao federation. Do you run out of > > > pretexts to manifest your racial hatred against Vietnam?? D'ohh!! By > > > the way, please don't be hurt when I must point out to you that your > > > English is full of spelling and grammatical errors. > > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > > On Sep 12, 1:22 am, Khmer Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Political Analysis Today: A Conversation Between Khmer Young & > > > > Chetrasen<http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2010/09/political-analysis-...> > > > > > For stability of the regime, there are two loose institutions that > > > > Vietnam > > > > is care the most, monarchy and Buddhist Sanghas. The collaboration of > > > > these > > > > two institutions with the ruling party helped Vietnam to achieve their > > > > plan > > > > because these institutions are still served the backbone of the kingdom. > > > > > Dear Chetrasena; > > > > > I am glade to know your idea regarding this issue. What you have said is > > > > right. Of course, the discourse of Federation is in place. You, I and > > > > all > > > > Cambodian people have clearly seen that Cambodian government under Hun > > > > Sen > > > > and CPP have made a lot favor for Vietnam. and Vietnam has stepped > > > > beyond > > > > the success of Federation in encouraging Cambodian government to convict > > > > and > > > > try Khmer farmers such as Prom Chea and Meas Srey. Recently, the > > > > Cambodian > > > > court convicted Sam Rainsy, the only biggest president of opposition > > > > party, > > > > about his disinformation, insulting Cambodia-Vietnam relationship and > > > > racism. > > > > > Cambodian government has always used the excuse of strengthening the > > > > rule of > > > > law. However, this strengthening activities have happened only with the > > > > dissents and opposition activists. > > > > > Actually, Cambodian government that has trialed and convicted the > > > > farmers > > > > and opposition leader is the just the intimidation to all Cambodian > > > > people > > > > countrywide not dare to protest or expressing opinion about the fast > > > > strengthening relationship between Cambodia and > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > I absolutely agree with the author about petitioning the government of > > > > Cambodia to disclose the plan of creating federation with Vietnam in > > > > accordance to irregular treatment to Cambodian people regarding their > > > > perspective about their relationship with Vietnam. This not include the > > > > cases of Khmer Krom people. They have gradually marginalized from > > > > Cambodian > > > > people after the frequent visits of Vietnamese leaders to meeting both > > > > secular powerful men and Buddhist partriarch. > > > > > The good way to do now is the need to know from the government to > > > > publicly > > > > disclose or announce the Indochina federation advancement with Vietnam > > > > and > > > > Loa of Cambodian government under current CPP leadership. > > > > KY > > > > > Chetrasen; > > > > ky: It is very interesting article. Majority of Cambodian people who > > > > live in > > > > the country from the poorest to the richest are happy to live in this > > > > Federation .The three countries have already been federated just a > > > > matter of > > > > time to be promulgated officially.From economic stand point about 80% of > > > > businesses are owned and operated by Vietnameses. Look at the local > > > > markets > > > > in the city of Phnom Penh such as Psar Kandal and Chbar Ampeou are > > > > exclusively controlled by Vietnamese vendors. From people to people, > > > > Cambodian people in Cambodia are living are second class of citizen. > > > > Cambodian officials in every level are care of themselves and their > > > > families. In Cambodia there is no way you can sue Vietnamese citizen, if > > > > you > > > > win you still lose. That is the price we have to pay. HRP and SRP are > > > > just > > > > the joke from the eye of Vietnam.Hanoi has invested too much in this > > > > Kingdom.Most Cambodian officials are drunken by status, wealth monies, > > > > but > > > > they ignored the future . My opinion I supported Federation, let it be > > > > sooner or later it is going to be that way whether you like or not. As I > > > > said couple years ago, I asked for unity from all khmers regardless of > > > > their > > > > affiliations for the sake of country survival, but they did not how to > > > > work > > > > together, they only know how to divide each other.Hanoi is fully aware > > > > that > > > > the serious threat to CPP is Royalist, once this organization dismantled > > > > and > > > > brought this institution to the ground, the CPP will survive and strong. > > > > To > > > > destroy Royalist party HRP and SRP were acting and harbouring CPP to > > > > achieve > > > > the mission.Look at now, it is very easy for CPP to subdue SRP . All of > > > > these are the hard work of CPP and Hanoi together . If you compare > > > > Yellow > > > > shirts and Red Shirts in Thailand, the yellow shirts are backed by > > > > institution Monarchy, the Red Shirts are born from the Red Thai who > > > > fought > > > > for long time to get rid off this institution that why their struggle > > > > are > > > > not supported by EU, USA and England, they are not the core of > > > > democratic > > > > movement, now they are labelled by the government as terrorist groups . > > > > You > > > > must understand, Hanoi right now is the best ally of USA, so the CPP and > > > > Pathet Lao, this is the policy of USA to contain China influence, and > > > > Hanoi > > > > is pleased with US help to gain couple disputed Islands. > > > > > Khmer Young; > > > > > Firstly, we have to learn to accept the reality. In Cambodia, the > > > > reality is > > > > that CPP government has made much favor for their support, the > > > > Vietnamese > > > > who helped them to power and CPP can maintain power till today. We, > > > > Cambodians, have to learn to accept the reality that Vietnam's attempt > > > > to > > > > use Khmer monarchy for their power legitimacy is successful. We, > > > > Cambodians, > > > > have to learn to accept the reality that the war has made our brothers > > > > and > > > > sisters exhausted and lost and traumatic to wake up to fight against the > > > > CPP. > > > > > Like the author of Vietcamlao debated, Cambodian people are concealed by > > > > the > > > > absence of war, nationalism of Preah Vihear Sok An has tried to create, > > > > songs and entertainment, crap Buddhist institution, sky-crappers, urban > > > > sprawling, border demarcation, lasting friendship and mutual assistance > > > > in > > > > all fields, aids and > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
