Dear Chetrasena, There's a contradiction in your article. It's between the sentence:
"There is no racial hatred against Vietnam ." and the group of sentences: "From Cambodian side we were born with dislike attitude against the two East and West neighbors . Yes, historically speaking Cambodian people were tortured by them . That why our elders left some proverbs to remind us these two neighbors are not good, be vigilant " Siam Min Chol Khbuon Yuon Min Chol Put " ". Yeah Yeah, in the past, Cambodian people were tortured by them. But they were also tortured by Cambodian people. All I've said all along in CamDisc is that hatred doesn't work for Cambodia. Do you think Cambodia can live in eternal hatred and conflict against Vietnam and Thailand?? It's easy to say yes from a computer room somewhere in the West or Australia or New Zealand. To find out the truth, you should move to Cambodia and live there for 5 or more years. I've also said the Khmers should be smart or intelligent or even tricky rather than hateful. I've even said the Khmers should be "min chau-l khbuon" or "min chau-l sni-at" (I prefer "sni-at to "putt") or both. Do you realize that you have problems if you don't have "khbuon" or "sni-at"?? Pheng Kim Ving On Sep 12, 3:10 pm, Chetrasena <[email protected]> wrote: > Gentleman. There is no racial hatred against Vietnam . Your allegation > is completely wrong . This is an expression of opinion . People can > express their opinion and voice their concern to a particular issue > that mattered to him and to her . For instance, Cambodia is a > Cambodian business . Everybody has the right to express their > opinion . Do not misconstrue that we hate Vietnamese people . The > Vietnamese people are wonderful, they are industrious, hardworking, > intelligent and united . Through their history, they hated to be > colonized .But they loved to colonize others when they see fit . From > Cambodian side we were born with dislike attitude against the two East > and West neighbors . Yes, historically speaking Cambodian people were > tortured by them . That why our elders left some proverbs to remind us > these two neighbors are not good, be vigilant " Siam Min Chol Khbuon > Yuon Min Chol Put " > > On Sep 12, 3:44 am, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Khmer Young. > > > There's no such thing as Vietcamlao federation. Do you run out of > > pretexts to manifest your racial hatred against Vietnam?? D'ohh!! By > > the way, please don't be hurt when I must point out to you that your > > English is full of spelling and grammatical errors. > > > Pheng Kim Ving > > > On Sep 12, 1:22 am, Khmer Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Political Analysis Today: A Conversation Between Khmer Young & > > > Chetrasen<http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2010/09/political-analysis-...> > > > > For stability of the regime, there are two loose institutions that Vietnam > > > is care the most, monarchy and Buddhist Sanghas. The collaboration of > > > these > > > two institutions with the ruling party helped Vietnam to achieve their > > > plan > > > because these institutions are still served the backbone of the kingdom. > > > > Dear Chetrasena; > > > > I am glade to know your idea regarding this issue. What you have said is > > > right. Of course, the discourse of Federation is in place. You, I and all > > > Cambodian people have clearly seen that Cambodian government under Hun Sen > > > and CPP have made a lot favor for Vietnam. and Vietnam has stepped beyond > > > the success of Federation in encouraging Cambodian government to convict > > > and > > > try Khmer farmers such as Prom Chea and Meas Srey. Recently, the Cambodian > > > court convicted Sam Rainsy, the only biggest president of opposition > > > party, > > > about his disinformation, insulting Cambodia-Vietnam relationship and > > > racism. > > > > Cambodian government has always used the excuse of strengthening the rule > > > of > > > law. However, this strengthening activities have happened only with the > > > dissents and opposition activists. > > > > Actually, Cambodian government that has trialed and convicted the farmers > > > and opposition leader is the just the intimidation to all Cambodian people > > > countrywide not dare to protest or expressing opinion about the fast > > > strengthening relationship between Cambodia and > > > Vietnam. > > > > I absolutely agree with the author about petitioning the government of > > > Cambodia to disclose the plan of creating federation with Vietnam in > > > accordance to irregular treatment to Cambodian people regarding their > > > perspective about their relationship with Vietnam. This not include the > > > cases of Khmer Krom people. They have gradually marginalized from > > > Cambodian > > > people after the frequent visits of Vietnamese leaders to meeting both > > > secular powerful men and Buddhist partriarch. > > > > The good way to do now is the need to know from the government to publicly > > > disclose or announce the Indochina federation advancement with Vietnam and > > > Loa of Cambodian government under current CPP leadership. > > > KY > > > > Chetrasen; > > > ky: It is very interesting article. Majority of Cambodian people who live > > > in > > > the country from the poorest to the richest are happy to live in this > > > Federation .The three countries have already been federated just a matter > > > of > > > time to be promulgated officially.From economic stand point about 80% of > > > businesses are owned and operated by Vietnameses. Look at the local > > > markets > > > in the city of Phnom Penh such as Psar Kandal and Chbar Ampeou are > > > exclusively controlled by Vietnamese vendors. From people to people, > > > Cambodian people in Cambodia are living are second class of citizen. > > > Cambodian officials in every level are care of themselves and their > > > families. In Cambodia there is no way you can sue Vietnamese citizen, if > > > you > > > win you still lose. That is the price we have to pay. HRP and SRP are just > > > the joke from the eye of Vietnam.Hanoi has invested too much in this > > > Kingdom.Most Cambodian officials are drunken by status, wealth monies, but > > > they ignored the future . My opinion I supported Federation, let it be > > > sooner or later it is going to be that way whether you like or not. As I > > > said couple years ago, I asked for unity from all khmers regardless of > > > their > > > affiliations for the sake of country survival, but they did not how to > > > work > > > together, they only know how to divide each other.Hanoi is fully aware > > > that > > > the serious threat to CPP is Royalist, once this organization dismantled > > > and > > > brought this institution to the ground, the CPP will survive and strong. > > > To > > > destroy Royalist party HRP and SRP were acting and harbouring CPP to > > > achieve > > > the mission.Look at now, it is very easy for CPP to subdue SRP . All of > > > these are the hard work of CPP and Hanoi together . If you compare Yellow > > > shirts and Red Shirts in Thailand, the yellow shirts are backed by > > > institution Monarchy, the Red Shirts are born from the Red Thai who fought > > > for long time to get rid off this institution that why their struggle are > > > not supported by EU, USA and England, they are not the core of democratic > > > movement, now they are labelled by the government as terrorist groups . > > > You > > > must understand, Hanoi right now is the best ally of USA, so the CPP and > > > Pathet Lao, this is the policy of USA to contain China influence, and > > > Hanoi > > > is pleased with US help to gain couple disputed Islands. > > > > Khmer Young; > > > > Firstly, we have to learn to accept the reality. In Cambodia, the reality > > > is > > > that CPP government has made much favor for their support, the Vietnamese > > > who helped them to power and CPP can maintain power till today. We, > > > Cambodians, have to learn to accept the reality that Vietnam's attempt to > > > use Khmer monarchy for their power legitimacy is successful. We, > > > Cambodians, > > > have to learn to accept the reality that the war has made our brothers and > > > sisters exhausted and lost and traumatic to wake up to fight against the > > > CPP. > > > > Like the author of Vietcamlao debated, Cambodian people are concealed by > > > the > > > absence of war, nationalism of Preah Vihear Sok An has tried to create, > > > songs and entertainment, crap Buddhist institution, sky-crappers, urban > > > sprawling, border demarcation, lasting friendship and mutual assistance in > > > all fields, aids and investment etc. Those things are good tools for > > > foreign > > > and the CPP to continuously deceive Cambodian people. > > > > We, Cambodians, have to learn the reality that the opposition parties have > > > been used to lie the international community. Only one way that opposition > > > should be strong is to take monarchy away from the pocket of CPP (Viet's > > > plan) and unify with all nationalists. Opposition cannot win Vietnam or > > > CPP > > > by just critics or show the wrong doing to border demarcation excuse. The > > > CPP's court system is ready to trial all dissents in order to blind > > > Cambodian people that they are doing to strengthening the rule of > > > laws...the > > > rule of law for federation? > > > > So one way that we can do is to follow the CPP's policy such as let join > > > with the CPP to successfully create the Indochina Federation. Cambodian > > > people and oppositions seems have to weapons to fight against this but let > > > all together support this trend and let negotiate with Vietnam about the > > > rules and regulations. > > > > So what do you think? > > > > Chetrasen; > > > KY : Today, the kingdom of Cambodia is moving to another world .Majority > > > of > > > Cambodian people in the country seems to be happy with the CPP under > > > leadership of Somdech Maha Akka Sena Decho Hun Sen . Whether you like or > > > not > > > he is the one whom everybody in the world is doing business with > > > especially > > > American, he will meet the US President this month . Do not forget > > > American > > > soldiers provided training and assisting Hun Sen soldiers more than they > > > did > > > during the Lon Nol .That is the new era of US policy, stability and > > > security > > > are the main concern of USA ..Ceding land to other country, abusing power > > > against it citizen are not American business, they are Cambodian business, > > > there are plenty of dictators around the world .Hun Sen rules Cambodia > > > longer than his predecessors King Sinaouk, Lon Nol and Pol Pot combined > > > .There is no need to blame Hanoi, for the sake of United Vietnam the > > > countries of Lao and Cambodia must be included .Along with rapid expansion > > > policy of Vietnam, the Ferderation will be financed by both Japanese and > > > Korean with the help of American, EU and Australia .The new generation of > > > Cambodian is happy with that move. For stability of the regime, there are > > > two loose institutions that Vietnam is care the most, monarchy and > > > Buddhist > > > Sanghas. The collaboration of these two institutions with the ruling party > > > helped Vietnam to achieve their plan because these institutions are still > > > served the backbone of the kingdom. The people of the three countries are > > > freely moving from one place to another, no border no visa no restriction > > > .Yes, there are an obstacle for the unity of the three countries too, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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