On Dec 23, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Tristan O'Tierney wrote:


 Honestly, it's not
often most people have 20+ tabs open in one window.

Tell that to the people who email me all the time complaining about the 16-tab limit (for performance reasons). They would have 50 if we let them :-)


The text for toolbar bookmarks is also smaller in
safari, h owever when you open a menu it the sub menu
items are normal sized. this is the ideal approach for
keeping toolbar size small, but menus visible.

Makes sense, i'll play with it this week. It would be helpful if you could file a bug so we can track it.


Google Bar: Any solution that requires "editing a text
file" for added functionality is usually not the best
solution.  I suggest you take a look at firebird's
approach. it's an extremely simple addition.

I'll take a look at fb's approach, but this is a slippery slope, akin to "what can just one more pref hurt?" For the people that want to customize it, a mechanism is provided. For people that do not, the UI isn't cluttered. I could be swayed, but it doesn't seem to be a feature that 95% of users are demanding and thus I don't believe it deserves UI. Perhaps a slightly richer default set might mitigate this issue?


Is it undiscoverable? Sure. That's why a good "tips and tricks" webpage is necessary.

i see why you moved import/export bookmarks now. and
that isn't a bad idea. however, it belongs in the
bookmarks menu one way or another.  as buttons, i
agree that's overkill.

i'll rethink it at some point, and smfr and I argued back and forth on it for a while before the initial change. The problem is that everyone's right.


you didn't mention anything about the tab traversal.
wasn't sure if you agree or disagree with that.

I thought we picked the keys we did to be consistent with mozilla, maybe my memory is bad, or maybe they changed it. Just because safari does something one way doesn't mean we have to be slavishly consistent (though it might appear that way from other ui choices i've made) :-) They did, after all, come late to the game and maybe they should be using the keys we picked :-) Best solution i think is to get a discussion going here (start a new thread?) and when the issues have been explored, file a bug.


none of these are necessarily bugs, but more or less
user expectations that aren't met.

Ah yes, but we use the bugtracking mechanism for everything, including new features and polish. If it's not in bugzilla, it doesn't get fixed (usually).


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