Hello, I am a bit at a loss :) Really I don't see how we can promote a camping with screencast and examples e.g. even a blog example when we are then essentially saying that it would be pointless anyway for camping to code a blog as there is tumblr (or you name it, wordpress, blogger etc.). Isn't the point of coding/camping to experiment, let the imagination run wild while building something cool (not just a blog of course) ?
I don't think that a totally static website is necessarily a good thing. It is very limiting and creates a single way to dialogue with existing/future users which can be done in a number of ways even without the forum (e.g. fetching displaying the mailing list, allow comments on certain topics, Q&A etc.). Sure you can do that with tumblr and pretty well but in my humble opinion that's not the best way to promote the framework. But hey what do I know ? I just finished reading "Running Sinatra" and they do the very same thing in their sample blog (last chapter). They tell you how to create a sinatra app where you do not have an online editor and all it does it to create static HTML files. I thought WOW why would I go and install, learn the sinatra way if this is the display of what I can do with it ? Nothing wrong with static html. I have a blog with static files too (but hey at least I have disqus comments embedded on each files so there is a way to communicate with users + rsync and other stuff ) and you know..it is 15 lines of bash code. It does exactly the same of that Sinatra app from the book without having to run or install anything. So I really don't get it I think ! Will see how I can progress with the screencasts but making them to display them on a tumblr blog is not exactly very motivating. Perhaps I got caught by the enthusiasm too quickly - my bad! Best Wishes David On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Jenna Fox <a...@creativepony.com> wrote: > I just don't see the point in creating our own elaborate infrastructure > which we then have to maintain indefinitely, which is more complicated than > static files. Our site is static html right now because there's nothing > about the site which is dynamic - but those static files were rendered by a > camping app which I just mirrored to static files recently using wget so we > could switch things over to github pages. Unless there's going to be some > dynamic element to the camping site, I'd rather the stability and > scalability afforded to us by github pages and static files than some token > ritual of dogfooding. Both the sites of Ruby on Rails and Sinatra seem to > use caching servers between their users and ruby backends, with sinatra's > in particular caching responses for many hours. I think we're winning the > ruby race - our cache caches for days, even weeks! It's a really smart > cache. > > As for forums, I'm interested, and I agree it would be best done as a > camping app, if for no better reason that there isn't really any good free > forum software still being maintained which runs on ruby, as far as I know. > For our blog though, tumblr is great. It's had very little downtime in > recent weeks. I think it's worth forgiving them - their user base became > something like ten times as big in the space of one day, after their > collaboration with the The Colbert Report - for a site which takes photo, > music, and video uploads, that's a pretty substantial change. They seem to > have sorted it out now, only having very minor blips from time to time. > Further, tumblr is based on the tumblog concept, which was pioneered *and > named* by none other than our former friend Why The Lucky Stiff, and > itself does run on our close relative, Ruby On Rails. In fact, a large > proportion of GitHub is a Rails app too. > > — > Jenna > > On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 6:29 AM, david costa wrote: > > Hi Jenna this is great ! > let's see how the screencasts come along then you can see. Just one point > about tumblr (which is good don't get me wrong) wouldn't it be better to > have a small site on camping ? I am pretty excited to build this in camping > and show the screencasts inside it. Of course will need to show code not > nice words only ;) but this should be the final aim. > > I am not asking anyone to do it/code it etc. I am just saying this should > be the ultimate goal because with no camping code in production people > might think this is just a quick hack just for the fun of it with not much > of a real use beside a proof of concept... which is a bit of a pity. > > Like there are hundreds of frameworks on git, google code etc. but how > many can be bothered to try them out without having some working samples or > a good site (and I really like your design !!) to show how is this working ? > > For example there is some activity in the mailing list so it could be > something nice to show on the website (like this topic at > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.camping.general/1648) but > of course within the site and not an external link. This could be enough > while there is no forum etc. > > On another note tumblr is not exactly very stable ! > > *this said* I totally see your point as you have this functionality > already on tumblr so if one wants to be up and quickly with something it is > certainly better than any bigger but uncoded masterplan :) > > Regards > David > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Jenna Fox <a...@creativepony.com> wrote: > > We have a tumblr blog - maybe we should turn on the 'ask' feature and make > it a Q and A thing. It would grow in to a google friendly fact book, a bit > like a stack exchange, for looking up specific problems and techniques. > Tumblr is a nice medium for adding photos and screencasts and the likes > too. > > — > Jenna Fox > > On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 12:22 AM, Paul van Tilburg wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:57:51AM -0600, Philippe Monnet wrote: > > I think it would be fun too. Love meta stuff. > In general I think the more tutorials / screencasts / posts / sites > on Camping, the merrier. > > > Although I generally agree, I'd prefer them to be somewhat > organised/structured. For example, the blog is a good basic app, > but I would like to have tutorials for specific things such as: > adding cookies, sessions, using different view/template systems, > integrating multiple apps, etc. Rather than having a screencast of a > "wiki" app that happens to mention sessions. > > In my opinion the Camping site should answer questions/help out > with different aspects of creating/extending/maintaining a Camping > application. This is something that currently requires joining > #camping on IRC, asking the question and waiting for a long time. > (Not there that is anything whatsover wrong with our IRC-channel. :) > > Cheers, > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > -- > Web: http://paul.luon.net/home/ | E-mail: p...@luon.net > Jabber/GTalk: p...@luon.net | GnuPG key ID: 0x50064181 > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
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