Hi Gareth,

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 12:49, Gareth Callanan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Casper Community
>
> Now that roach2 has been deprecated, I have been wondering where the
> CASPER community is heading in terms of future ADC work.
>
> As far as I can tell there are three options available:
>
>    1. SNAP boards - The SNAP boards seem to support the largest number of
>    options 12 x 250 Msps/ 6 x 500 MSps or 3 x 1000 Msps. SNAP is used by HERA,
>    but I don't think it is used anywhere else.
>
>
These are also used by a few other Berkeley and Berkeley-adjacent projects
-- Breakthrough @ Parkes, the ATA. There also used by Caltech in the DSA.
Possibly some other folk have them

>
>    1. SKARAB and the SKARAB ADC - The SKARAB ADC can sample at up to 3
>    GSps. From what I can tell, it does not seem to be widely used. I imagine
>    it would be quite an expensive configuration.
>    2. ZCU111 RFSoC - The ZCU111 RFSoC seems to be a good board for
>    experimentation, but if we wanted to build a many antenna array (N > 100),
>    XIlinx may not be quite able/willing to provide us with that many dev
>    boards.
>
>
At the ATA we're pursuing a system using the HTG ZRF16 RFSoC platform.
There are a bunch of Commercial RFSoC platforms, at various price points.
The SKA-Low project was once looking at building a custom RFSoC platform.
They also already have the Kintex Ultrascale iTPM which has 32 onboard ADC
channels.


> Alternatively, maybe there is some cheap FMC ADC out there that could make
> everyone happy? (Although then we would need to find an FMC carrier card)
>

For the Caltech LWA352 system we're using a SNAP2 (dual FMC) with a custom
ADC card. I believe a few people are experimenting with fast ADCs on FMC
carriers with the VCU118/128. There are _lots_ of commercial platforms
which would support FMC ADCs. The Institute of Automation (designers of the
SNAP2) have a variety of FMC ADCs they use on their projects with various
combinations of number-of-inputs and bandwidth / sample rate.

Personally I think most deployments in the future will be on platforms
which support 100G, so I can't imagine there will be a huge number of SNAPs
used in the coming years.

Just my random musings,

Jack


>
> From the options available, it seems to me that SNAP is the board that is
> most likely to be deployed in a large array, and the ZCU111 board is what
> is most likely to be used in labs/small arrays.
>
> Is that a correct read of what is available? Or are there other projects
> in the works?
>
> We have cheap COTS options for building X/F-Engines. As far as I can tell,
> an easily accessible ADC board is the main bottleneck to quickly
> prototyping/building a correlator.
>
> Gareth Callanan
> Digital Signal Processing Engineer
> South African Radio Astronomy Observatory(SARAO)
>
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