No, I'm not. The stw has some link(s) to using. Also there are bookmarks, blog posts, etc. Even after the link remotion of the using and the switch to stw, using has almost twice more visitors than stw.
The api site is almost dead, we practically don't receive visitors there. So it isn't a big deal. We should only remove the current project main pages after we fix the wiki layout, imho. But what concerns me the most, is that it seems that people isn't accessing the inner pages of stw. I don't know the exact reason: maybe they googled the wrong result, maybe they couldn't find what they want, maybe they found it clumsy and left. Check the reports: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B32splxWlkuqNTdhOWViMmUtYTBjZi00Y2ZhLWJkZGItYTkxYzMwN2U1ZWE2&sort=name&layout=list&num=50 https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B32splxWlkuqMTJjOTgwYWUtZjlkZC00NDQ1LWFiZTgtZWU3N2M4ZjQ3ZWJm&sort=name&layout=list&num=50 Cheers, Henry Conceição On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:03 AM, John Simons <[email protected]> wrote: > Henry, > > I think there is some confusion here, the following links were removed from > the main web site: > API Doc - > http://api.castleproject.org > Using -> http://using.castleproject.org > > And a new link was added: > Documentation -> http://stw.castleproject.org > > From my point of view the "API Doc" link can be safely discarded and the > website(http://api.castleproject.org) turned off. > The Using one, maybe we still needed it for projects that haven't migrated > all their doco to stw. > And finally remove top menu "Documentation" link and instead update the link > on this page http://www.castleproject.org/container/index.html > > Cheers > John > > > ________________________________ > From: Henry Conceição <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 1 September, 2010 12:14:12 PM > Subject: Re: Castle Documentation Wiki > > I didn't meant that Windsor had outdated content. I noticed that you > did rewrite the article... I was talking about the other projects. > > Cheers, > Henry Conceição > > > > 2010/8/31 Krzysztof Koźmic <[email protected]>: >> Sorry, can you send me the link to the outdated pages you found? >> >> Most of what I wrote for STW is written either from the scratch or if i >> was >> migrating old content I was trying to make sure I update all outdated >> information. >> I may have missed something so please (not just Henry - everyone) do some >> proof reading and either update the information you found outdated >> yoursself >> or if you're not comfortable doing that, let me know. >> >> Krzysztof >> >> 2010/9/1 Henry Conceição <[email protected]> >>> >>> But taking side Windsor, all the docs on stw are outdated, since they >>> are a copy from what we had/have on the main web site, right? (I just >>> did a cursory look there, so forgive me if I'm wrong) >>> >>> What do you think if we change the doc menu link back to what it was >>> before, leave the docs for older releases as it is, and just point the >>> project documentation trunk link to stw? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry Conceição >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/8/31 Krzysztof Koźmic <[email protected]>: >>> > They are all outdated, hardly anything has been updated since RC3. >>> > >>> > They are mostly migrated, not all of it, hence my remark that there's >>> > like a >>> > one day of work to migrate all the remaining stuff and make sure >>> > nothing >>> > valuable gets lost. >>> > >>> > 2010/9/1 Henry Conceição <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >> @Krzysztof >>> >> >>> >> Become official in the moment that you changed the link Documentation >>> >> on the menu and pointed to there. >>> >> >>> >> So, are you saying that the docs related to Windsor on the main web >>> >> site and using are all migrated or outdated? In other words, can we >>> >> shut down those sections? >>> >> >>> >> @all >>> >> >>> >> And what about the other projects? Is someone tracking their >>> >> documentation migration status? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Henry Conceição >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2010/8/31 Krzysztof Koźmic <[email protected]>: >>> >> > Hi, >>> >> > >>> >> > STW is not official source of docs, but it's the best we have, and >>> >> > there >>> >> > were some people (some of which you'd call power users - guys who >>> >> > follow >>> >> > me >>> >> > on twitter, read my blog, who shold generally be up to date with >>> >> > stuff) >>> >> > asaaking me about stuff (why it's not working, why it's different in >>> >> > docs >>> >> > than in reality) because they ended up going to the old docs site. >>> >> > >>> >> > So I got rid of the link from the main site, to direct people to >>> >> > STW. >>> >> > >>> >> > The API site should be dropped immediately IMO. It hasn't been >>> >> > updated >>> >> > since RC3 at least and is largely out of date. >>> >> > Using - I'm not sure how much valuable information is there that >>> >> > hasn't >>> >> > been >>> >> > migrated to STW yet, but I suspect getthing the migtration done is >>> >> > less >>> >> > than >>> >> > a day worth of work. >>> >> > >>> >> > Probably similar thing with the old doco, which (at least for >>> >> > Windsor) >>> >> > has >>> >> > been mostly migrated. >>> >> > >>> >> > I've been apelling for help with this several times, yet if you take >>> >> > a >>> >> > look >>> >> > at the logs, hardly anyone ever does anything towards the migration >>> >> > :/ >>> >> > >>> >> > Krzysztof >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On 1/09/2010 4:37 AM, Henry Conceição wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Got it. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Well, I think that the subdomain is smaller issue here. Each >>> >> >> section >>> >> >> structures the docs in its on way and layout is very "basic", wich >>> >> >> imho turns stw in usability disaster. I did a quick lookup on the >>> >> >> analytics report, and people don't go further than home or the >>> >> >> search >>> >> >> page. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Also, the links were changed only on the home page. If the user has >>> >> >> a >>> >> >> bookmark or access the docs from the project page he'll still see >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> old docs. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> And that takes us to a bigger problem, imho. Now we have at least >>> >> >> five >>> >> >> different sources of documentation: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> - main web site >>> >> >> - stw >>> >> >> - using >>> >> >> - api >>> >> >> - forum >>> >> >> >>> >> >> And if we look at the main site, stw and using we'll see that each >>> >> >> instance has unique, duplicated and stale articles. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> My suggestion the tackle this is: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> - return stw to staging >>> >> >> - move all the content on using to stw and deactivate it >>> >> >> - finished the migration of the docs from main web to stw >>> >> >> - do some clean-up, and define/apply some standards to the sections >>> >> >> - conect main web site and stw, turning it in the official >>> >> >> documentation >>> >> >> source >>> >> >> - fix the layout >>> >> >> >>> >> >> For the layout stuff, I'm inclined to hire some designers (courtesy >>> >> >> of >>> >> >> Castle Stronghold) to listen the team ideas and come up with >>> >> >> something. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Cheers, >>> >> >> Henry Conceição >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jonathon Rossi<[email protected]> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Not that I am aware of. I think Krzysztof has chosen to do it >>> >> >>> because >>> >> >>> that documentation is much more up to date than the main site. >>> >> >>> Since that is the case we should really plan how we are going to >>> >> >>> get >>> >> >>> off >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> stw subdomain otherwise we'll turn things into a mess with things >>> >> >>> on >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> main site, stw and using. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 2010/9/1 Henry Conceição<[email protected]> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Did I missed the discussion about promoting stw wiki as the main >>> >> >>>> source of documentation? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Cheers, >>> >> >>>> Henry Conceição >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> -- >>> >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> >> >>>> Google >>> >> >>>> Groups >>> >> >>>> "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> >> >>>> [email protected]. >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> >>>> [email protected]. >>> >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -- >>> >> >>> Jono >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -- >>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> >>> Groups >>> >> >>> "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>> >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> >> >>> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> > Groups >>> >> > "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> >> > To post to this group, send email to >>> >> > [email protected]. >>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> > [email protected]. >>> >> > For more options, visit this group at >>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> Groups >>> >> "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected]. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected]. >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups >>> > "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> > [email protected]. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected]. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Castle Project Development List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Castle Project Development List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Castle Project Development List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Castle Project Development List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Castle Project Development List" group. 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