I hate this problem - the only real guarantee you have it right is when the correlation coeffs are reasonably high..

The CCP4/MR programs/LSQKAB/ DM etc conventions are consistent I believe

{R11 R12 R13 ]  [XoA]        [XoB]
[R21  R22  R33]  [Y0A]    =  [YoB]
[R31  R32  R33]  [Z0A]         [ZoB]

Omat always prints/reads the transpose of that rotation matrix.

Transpose is the same as inverse, which means that if one matches B to A rather than A to B you get the Omat which adds to the confusion..
Eleanor


Huiying Li wrote:

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I was running DM with 3-fold NCS averaging on a set of MR solutions by PHASER. I have generated the NCS rotation matrix and translation to bring molA to molB or molA to molC using either LSQMAN or LSKAB(through CCP4i GUI 1.3.20 and ccp4-5.0.2). The NCS averaging worked (final correlations are > 0.7 for NCS related molecules) only if I used Euler angles to define the rotation/translation. When I used the rotation matrix, either ROTA MATRIX or OMAT, the best correlations were ~0.18 or ~0.4, respectively. I had the same problems no matter running DM through CCP4i or with the script. It seems DM has problems in interpreting the rotation matrix.

A related issue is the rotation matrix convention. I recall the matrices given by LSQMAN and LSKAB were used to be transposed to each other. But this time I found they were identical for the same NCS transformation. Has one of these two programs changed its convention lately?

Thanks for any help.

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