Dear all:

Our dataset is belong to R32.
But in the Top10 peak of self rotation (shown below), the peaks of 2-fold 
(kappa = 180 ) are more often than the 3-fold (kappa = 120).
We also got dimmer in asymetric unit. Does it make sense to the self rotation?
Any comments would be appreciated.


JS 

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  Alpha   Beta   Gamma      Peak       Omega    Phi  Kappa          Direction 
cosines
 Symmetry: 1   2

  Peak    1
  Origin peak                                  100.0         0.0    0.0    0.0

  Peak    2
           1   1        0.0    0.0  120.0      100.0         0.0  157.6  120.0  
      0.0000  0.0000  1.0000
  Origin peak                                  100.0         0.0    0.0  120.0

  Peak    3
           1   1        0.0    0.0  240.0      100.0       180.0  180.0  120.0  
      0.0000  0.0000 -1.0000
           1   2        0.0    0.0  120.0      100.0         0.0   60.0  120.0  
      0.0000  0.0000  1.0000
  Origin peak                                  100.0       180.0    0.0  120.0

  Peak    4
           1   1        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0  270.0  180.0  
     -0.0002 -1.0000  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  150.0  180.0  
     -0.8659  0.5001  0.0000
           1   3        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0  210.0  180.0  
     -0.8661 -0.4999  0.0000
           2   1        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  330.0  180.0  
      0.8659 -0.5001  0.0000
           2   2        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0   30.0  180.0  
      0.8661  0.4999  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0  270.0  180.0  
     -0.0008 -1.0000  0.0000
           3   1        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0   30.0  180.0  
      0.8661  0.4999  0.0000
           3   2        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0   90.0  180.0  
      0.0000  1.0000  0.0000
           3   3        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  330.0  180.0  
      0.8659 -0.5001  0.0000

  Peak    5
           1   1        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0  210.0  180.0  
     -0.8661 -0.4999  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0  270.0  180.0  
      0.0000 -1.0000  0.0000
           1   3        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  330.0  180.0  
      0.8659 -0.5001  0.0000
           2   1        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0   90.0  180.0  
      0.0008  1.0000  0.0000
           2   2        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  150.0  180.0  
     -0.8659  0.5001  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0   30.0  180.0  
      0.8661  0.4999  0.0000
           3   1        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  150.0  180.0  
     -0.8659  0.5001  0.0000
           3   2        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0  210.0  180.0  
     -0.8661 -0.4999  0.0000
           3   3        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0   90.0  180.0  
      0.0000  1.0000  0.0000

  Peak    6
           1   1        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  330.0  180.0  
      0.8659 -0.5001  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0   30.0  180.0  
      0.8661  0.4999  0.0000
           1   3        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0   90.0  180.0  
      0.0000  1.0000  0.0000
           2   1        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0  210.0  180.0  
     -0.8661 -0.4999  0.0000
           2   2        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0   90.0  180.0  
      0.0000  1.0000  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  150.0  180.0  
     -0.8659  0.5001  0.0000
           3   1        0.0  180.0    0.0       96.1        90.0  270.0  180.0  
      0.0000 -1.0000  0.0000
           3   2        0.0  180.0  240.0       96.1        90.0  330.0  180.0  
      0.8659 -0.5001  0.0000
           3   3        0.0  180.0  120.0       96.1        90.0   30.0  180.0  
      0.8661  0.4999  0.0000

  Peak    7
           1   1        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.0  240.0  180.0  
     -0.5001 -0.8660  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        91.3  120.0  180.0  
     -0.4998  0.8659 -0.0220
           1   3        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        88.7  180.0  180.0  
     -0.9998  0.0001  0.0223
           2   1        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        91.4  300.0  180.0  
      0.4998 -0.8658 -0.0245
           2   2        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        90.0    0.0  180.0  
      1.0000  0.0000  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.0  242.8  180.0  
     -0.4564 -0.8898  0.0009
           3   1        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        88.6  360.0  180.0  
      0.9997 -0.0001  0.0237
           3   2        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.1   57.1  180.0  
      0.5425  0.8401 -0.0013
           3   3        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.0  120.0  180.0  
     -0.4999  0.8661  0.0000

  Peak    8
           1   1        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        90.0    0.0    3.1  
      1.0000  0.0000  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        89.3  241.6  180.0  
     -0.4753 -0.8797  0.0127
           1   3        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.8  301.6  180.0  
      0.5242 -0.8515 -0.0132
           2   1        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        89.2   58.4  180.0  
      0.5242  0.8515  0.0132
           2   2        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.0  120.0  180.0  
     -0.5000  0.8660  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        87.7  358.4  180.0  
      0.9988 -0.0282  0.0395
           3   1        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.7  118.4  180.0  
     -0.4753  0.8797 -0.0127
           3   2        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        87.8  181.6  180.0  
     -0.9988 -0.0281  0.0390
           3   3        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.0  240.0  180.0  
     -0.5000 -0.8660  0.0000

  Peak    9
           1   1        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.0  300.0  180.0  
      0.4999 -0.8661  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        89.4  358.6  180.0  
      0.9996 -0.0246  0.0110
           1   3        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.7   58.6  180.0  
      0.5212  0.8534 -0.0115
           2   1        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        89.3  181.4  180.0  
     -0.9996 -0.0245  0.0119
           2   2        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.0  240.0  180.0  
     -0.5001 -0.8660  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        92.0  118.6  180.0  
     -0.4782  0.8775 -0.0348
           3   1        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.7  241.4  180.0  
     -0.4786 -0.8779 -0.0119
           3   2        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        91.9  301.4  180.0  
      0.5208 -0.8530 -0.0331
           3   3        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        90.0  180.0  180.0  
     -1.0000  0.0000  0.0000

  Peak   10
           1   1        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        90.0    0.0    3.1  
      1.0000  0.0000  0.0000
           1   2        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        89.4  241.2  180.0  
     -0.4810 -0.8767  0.0098
           1   3        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.6  301.3  180.0  
      0.5187 -0.8549 -0.0102
           2   1        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        89.4   58.7  180.0  
      0.5187  0.8549  0.0102
           2   2        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.0  300.0  180.0  
      0.5000 -0.8660  0.0000
           2   3        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        88.2  358.8  180.0  
      0.9993 -0.0218  0.0307
           3   1        0.0  180.0  300.0       92.6        90.6  118.8  180.0  
     -0.4810  0.8767 -0.0098
           3   2        0.0  180.0  180.0       92.6        88.3  181.3  180.0  
     -0.9993 -0.0218  0.0301
           3   3        0.0  180.0   60.0       92.6        90.0  240.0  180.0  
     -0.5000 -0.8660  0.0000
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在 2009/7/22 的來信中,"Ian Tickle" <[email protected]> 提及:

>No there are 6 rotational equivalent positions in R32 (i.e not counting
>the translational R centred positions which have no effect on the RF),
>consisting of 2 groups of 3, call them 1,2,3 and 4,5,6.  Members of each
>group of 3 are internally related by the 3-fold and members of different
>groups are related by the 2-folds.  Each 2-fold peak in the SRF relates
>3 pairs of a.u.s (e.g. 1-4, 2-5, 3-6) so will have multiplicity=3.  Each
>3-fold peak relates 6 pairs: 1-2, 2-3, 3-1, 4-5, 5-6, 6-4 so has
>multiplicity=6, so should be twice the peak height.
>
>Cheers
>
>-- Ian
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Francis E Reyes
>> Sent: 22 July 2009 13:51
>> To: Ian Tickle; Francis E Reyes
>> Cc: CCP4 bulletin board
>> Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Self Rotation map in R32?
>> 
>> >This nicely illustrates the danger of using too low 
>> resolution data to
>> >compute the SRF (I'm referring to an earlier BB discussion on this
>> >subject, where it was suggested to cut out the high resolution data,
>> >against, it seems to me, all rationale).  You should be using as high
>> >resolution valid data as possible (it goes without saying that using
>> >rubbish data at any resolution won't help!).
>> >
>> 
>> The resolution is to 3A.
>> 
>> 
>> >The 3-fold peak will be *very* strong, it's crystallographic 
>> after all:
>> >seeing it 'leaking' onto adjacent sections and even 
>> stretching as far as
>> >the kappa=180 section is common, particularly with low 
>> resolution data
>> >and/or using F's.
>> >
>> Wouldn't the 2-folds then also be equally as strong? 
>> 
>> Thanks for your thoughtful responses. 
>> 
>> FR
>> 
>> 
>
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