Hi Ethan,

You are absolutely right. As a matter of fact, I had initially processed the data to 2.7A and it looked pretty decent with R symm less than 10%. The maps looked good too.

The problem arose during second round of refinement. The Rfree got stuck at around 29-30 while the Rfactor kept decreasing to about 20-21. The bond length and angle values are fine too.

I cut down the resolution to 3A hoping to improve the data quality by removing some noise. But, it did not work. i also tried to put restrains on the backbone B factors with limited success.

Any thoughts on how i can resolve this Rfree issue?

Thanks much,
Seema



On May 20, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Ethan Merritt wrote:

On Friday, May 20, 2011 02:28:26 pm Mittal, Seema wrote:
Hi All,

I am currently working on a 3A resolution dataset. The scaled file shows the following statistics (scroll down to the end of this email). It is P212121 space group with R merge of 8.8%.

Your data statistics look fine. In fact, it looks to me that your crystal is
probably yielding good data to considerably better resolution than 3A.
Why did you choose to cut it there?

My question is : Is there a way to selectively use only the data with I/Sigma value of 2 and more for refinement?

That is a bad idea. By removing data you are throwing away information.
Noisy data is still better than no data.

        good luck with your [probably better than 3A] structure,

                Ethan
        

And how do i achieve this using refmac? I am aware that this would come at the cost of compromising data completeness. Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks much,
Seema Mittal
Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Pharmacology
970L Lazare Research Building
University of Massachusetts Medical School
364 Plantation Street
Worcester, MA 01605





     Shell                             I/Sigma in resolution shells:
  Lower    Upper      % of of reflections with I / Sigma less than
limit limit 0 1 2 3 5 10 20 >20 total 50.00 6.46 2.0 3.8 5.3 6.2 7.6 12.5 34.3 65.0 99.3 6.46 5.13 0.7 2.2 3.9 5.3 8.2 15.7 36.6 63.4 100.0 5.13 4.48 1.3 2.8 4.0 5.8 9.3 13.8 27.3 72.7 100.0 4.48 4.07 0.7 1.7 4.0 5.4 7.9 13.9 35.4 64.1 99.5 4.07 3.78 1.8 3.6 5.1 6.9 11.8 20.8 49.6 47.3 96.9 3.78 3.56 1.5 3.8 6.7 8.7 13.3 26.7 65.4 30.8 96.2 3.56 3.38 0.8 3.2 7.1 8.9 12.9 31.1 76.6 20.0 96.6 3.38 3.23 2.0 4.8 8.1 14.8 23.4 44.8 84.7 12.7 97.5 3.23 3.11 4.1 9.2 13.8 18.4 29.6 51.0 86.0 11.0 96.9 3.11 3.00 2.4 8.6 13.9 18.8 30.6 53.9 92.4 4.5 96.9 All hkl 1.7 4.3 7.1 9.8 15.3 28.0 58.1 39.9 98.0


 Shell Lower Upper Average      Average     Norm. Linear Square
 limit    Angstrom       I   error   stat. Chi**2  R-fac  R-fac
      50.00   6.46   511.7    20.0     8.8  1.098  0.065  0.073
       6.46   5.13   284.6    10.1     6.3  1.047  0.062  0.064
       5.13   4.48   500.9    17.0     8.8  1.007  0.062  0.069
       4.48   4.07   446.1    17.4     9.2  1.032  0.069  0.070
       4.07   3.78   307.1    14.5     8.4  1.065  0.089  0.092
       3.78   3.56   243.4    13.8     7.9  1.033  0.108  0.112
       3.56   3.38   182.3    12.0     8.3  1.083  0.132  0.134
       3.38   3.23   136.5    10.4     7.7  1.048  0.155  0.151
       3.23   3.11   107.4     9.2     7.3  1.096   0.184  0.163
       3.11   3.00    91.0     8.7     7.3  1.044    0.215  0.201
  All reflections    287.7    13.5     8.0  1.055  0.088  0.082


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Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg
University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742

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