I still believe Prof. Dr. Hofkristallrat außer Dienst, is written as Bernhard - 
unless you are referring to some other guy with a french name Bernard. And the 
book indeed is a bible of xtallography.

Jürgen

On Mar 31, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Kevin Jin wrote:

Keeping Bernard's book as reference, it is the best way.

Kevin

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Tom Peat 
<tom.p...@csiro.au<mailto:tom.p...@csiro.au>> wrote:
Bernard went to a lot of work to verify that this structure was wrong, so we 
should also thank him for his efforts.
It is good to see someone who has a hunch follow that up and let the rest of us 
know about it.
Thanks Bernard!


Tom Peat
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From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] 
On Behalf Of Anastassis Perrakis [a.perra...@nki.nl<mailto:a.perra...@nki.nl>]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 7:59 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

Reading the paper from Dr. Hofkristallrat a.D. and the editorial in ActaF, I 
must say that besides the rather reasonable demand for journals to include 
crystallography experts as referees, "Table 1" would have fooled me as referee. 
A validation report of the VTF style might not had helped either in refereeing 
- in this case. Alarm bells could had rung possibly if the PDB was re-refining 
all submitted structures and look for 'too good to be true' improvements (sorry 
Robbie ... we are not there yet to improve things SO much!). Saving the images 
in a repository would had been equally unlikely to have helped (they would had 
submitted some data ... unless these were systematically validated and 
cross-matched to the CRYST data cards no alarm bells either - even if running 
PDB_REDO in all submissions appears a tad unrealistic, re-processing all images 
and matching them to CRYST records seems more troublesome at the present 
moment).

A thing that could had helped, would had been if our biology colleagues who 
want a structure for their story would had valued more the structural 
contribution by scrutinising the data (a corresponding author must scrutinise 
all data before accepting responsibility - and not when questioned throw the 
hands up waving 'it was not me ...'). Maybe ourselves as a community could also 
help by making our colleagues aware that crystallographic work is a tad more 
than 'and the author in the middle of the paper just contributed a structure' 
and explain them that if they want to be using structures for their 
publications they should be always prepared to engage in close and real 
collaborations where both sides accept responsibility for the data of each 
other, as it happens in many fruitful collaborations between biologists and 
"crystallographers" (such as these I had the privilege to engage with 
collaborators that criticised my data, as I did theirs ...).

regards to all -

Tassos

(and please, no 1st April joke with fraud cases ....!)



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