Hello crystallography experts,

I think I may have a case of perfect pseudomerehedral twinning where P222
Laue
symmetry is actually P2 with twinning and aniostropic data masks intensity
based
twinning statistics. I would like some input to determine if my reasoning
makes sense.
I would like to perform a twin test using local intensity differences (J E
Padilla and T O Yeates, 2003) but I am not sure how to do this. I am a
little worried that using a twin law in a lower symmetry group than
appropriate will give the drop in Rfree/Rwork that I am seeing and the
crystal is not really twinned.

1. I have processed in P222 and P21. In each case I get good scaling
statistics using XDS (see    below)

2. Systematic absences clearly point to a single 2(1)-fold screw axis

3. There appears to "almost" be two more 2(1) screw axis except that there
are some significant
   violations in these absences leading me to believe that they are not
true srew axis.

4. Patterson map shows no peaks relating molecules by translation in P222
(1  molec/asu)

5. I have difficulty interpreting the patterson map in P2 (2molec/asu) (I
am new to this so could be my own fault)

7. Intensity statistics show no twinning but the data is very aniosotropic
suggesting that twinning can be masked. The cumulative distribuiton of z=
(I/<I>) deviates for centric reflections my a max of 0.104 and the curve
falls well below for all values of  (Phenix triage).

8. Molecular replacement (Phaser) in P222 gives a single solution in
P212121. Every other choice of space group fails to give a solution.

9. Refinement in P212121 space group stalls around 34/31% Rfree/Rwork.
Althrough there are geometry problems to correct and water has not been
added.

10. Molecular replacement in P2 give single solution in P21

11. Refinement against the same model used above gives 36.5 33.8
Rfree/Rwork without twin law
   and 32/30 Rfree/Rwork with twin law = h, -k, -l


I have shown scaling for P212121. Statistics are nearly the same for P222
scaling
except XDS throws up a warning that I have outliers in my systematic
absences.
P212121 20-1.7A
CELL     56.279    67.257   106.264

 Res   OBS  UNIQUE POS COMP  R(obs) R(exp)            I/Sig  Rmeas CC1/2

     4.96 13696 1911 1989 96.1%  2.6%  2.7% 13681 61.96  2.8% 99.9*   23*
1.044   1400
     3.56 24387 3163 3167 99.9%  2.5%  2.8% 24386 64.65  2.7% 99.9*    9
0.888  2672
     2.93 22483 3969 3995 99.3%  3.2%  3.1% 22463 46.05  3.5% 99.9*    1
0.880  3292
     2.54 20108 4685 4712 99.4%  4.2%  4.1% 20076 30.45  4.8% 99.8*    1
0.839  3710
     2.28 20966 5221 5268 99.1%  5.5%  5.6% 20923 22.69  6.3% 99.7*    -1
 0.779 3932
     2.08 21599 5702 5779 98.7%  7.3%  7.7% 21521 16.73  8.5% 99.4*     0
  0.756 3932
     1.93 21589 6216 6289 98.8%  11.1% 12.1% 21478 10.73 13.1% 98.5*  0
0.735 3755
     1.80 19392  579 6709 98.1%  17.5% 19.7% 19089 6.32  21.3% 96.1*   -3
0.695 2421
     1.70 10889 5093 7126 71.5%  24.8% 27.6%  9561 3.63  31.7% 89.2*    2
 0.750 350
    total 175109 42539 45034 94.5% 4.0% 4.2% 173178 23.25 4.6% 99.9*    1
 0.808 25464


    0   21    0     3.203   0.6806E+03  0.3320E+02        20.50          
3* 0   22    0     3.057   0.9423E+04  0.3288E+03        28.66        
  1 0   23    0     2.924   0.3205E+03  0.4586E+02         6.99       
   1* 0   24    0     2.802   0.1231E+03  0.4612E+02         2.67     
     1 0   25    0     2.690   0.2306E+02  0.4566E+02         0.51    
      1* 0   26    0     2.587   0.1540E+04  0.7494E+02        20.56  
        1 0   27    0     2.491   0.3212E+03  0.5579E+02         5.76 
         1* 0   28    0     2.402   0.2706E+04  0.1156E+03       
23.42           1 0   29    0     2.319   0.3761E+02  0.4931E+02      
  0.76           1* 0   30    0     2.242   0.4053E+03  0.6758E+02    
    6.00           1 0   31    0     2.170   0.4495E+03  0.6956E+02   
     6.46           1* 0   32    0     2.102   0.3573E+04  0.1442E+03 
      24.78           1 0   33    0     2.038   0.5625E+02  0.7052E+02
        0.80           1* 0   34    0     1.978   0.2167E+04 
0.1090E+03        19.88           1 0   35    0     1.922   0.3802E+02
 0.6082E+02         0.63           1* 0   36    0     1.868  
0.1628E+04  0.9449E+02        17.23           1 3    0    0    18.760 
 0.6193E+01  0.5268E+01         1.18           2* 4    0    0   
14.070   0.4882E+04  0.1672E+03        29.19           1 5    0    0  
 11.256   0.3065E+02  0.8641E+01         3.55           2* 7    0    0
    8.040   0.1511E+03  0.1280E+02        11.81           2* 8    0   
0     7.035   0.5131E+04  0.1255E+03        40.87           2 9    0  
 0     6.253  -0.2260E-01  0.1419E+02         0.00           2*
   10    0    0     5.628   0.7113E+03  0.2502E+02        28.43          
2 11    0    0     5.116   0.3705E+03  0.2093E+02        17.70         
 2* 13    0    0     4.329   0.4986E+03  0.2448E+02        20.37       
   2* 15    0    0     3.752   0.8513E+03  0.3547E+02        24.00     
     2* 16    0    0     3.517   0.7354E+03  0.3602E+02        20.42   
       2 17    0    0     3.311   0.2188E+03  0.3146E+02         6.95  
        2* 18    0    0     3.127   0.8876E+04  0.2186E+03        40.60
          2 19    0    0     2.962   0.3268E+02  0.3828E+02        
0.85           1* 20    0    0     2.814   0.5687E+03  0.4339E+02      
 13.11           1 21    0    0     2.680   0.9416E+01  0.3746E+02     
   0.25           1* 22    0    0     2.558   0.6604E+03  0.4963E+02   
    13.31           1 23    0    0     2.447   0.1710E+02  0.4819E+02  
      0.35           1* 24    0    0     2.345   0.6804E+03  0.6019E+02
       11.30           1 25    0    0     2.251  -0.7221E+02 
0.5214E+02        -1.38           1* 26    0    0     2.165  
0.8755E+03  0.6379E+02        13.72           1 27    0    0     2.084 
 0.5401E+02  0.5433E+02         0.99           1* 28    0    0    
2.010   0.4692E+03  0.5928E+02         7.92           1 29    0    0   
 1.941   0.1127E+03  0.5774E+02         1.95           1*

 AVERAGE INTENSITY FOR 95 REFLECTIONS WHICH SHOULD
 BE SYSTEMATICALLY ABSENT IS 11.3% OF MEAN INTENSITY


 SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE >= -3.0 AS FUNCTION OF
RESOLUTION RESOLUTION     NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS    COMPLETENESS R-FACTOR 
R-FACTOR
COMPARED I/SIGMA   R-meas  CC(1/2)  Anomal  SigAno   NanoLIMIT    
OBSERVED  UNIQUE  POSSIBLE     OF DATA   observed  expected
                    Corr

                               4.96  13696 1911 1989 96.1%  2.6%   2.7%
13681   61.96     2.8%    99.9*    23*
1.044    1400
     3.56       24387    3163      3167       99.9%       2.5%      2.8%
 24386   64.65     2.7%    99.9*     9    0.888    2672
     2.93       22483    3969      3995       99.3%       3.2%      3.1%
 22463   46.05     3.5%    99.9*     1    0.880    3292
     2.54       20108    4685      4712       99.4%       4.2%      4.1%
 20076   30.45     4.8%    99.8*     1    0.839    3710
     2.28       20966    5221      5268       99.1%       5.5%      5.6%
 20923   22.69     6.3%    99.7*    -1    0.779    3932
     2.08       21599    5702      5779       98.7%       7.3%      7.7%
 21521   16.73     8.5%    99.4*     0    0.756    3932
     1.93       21589    6216      6289       98.8%      11.1%     12.1%
 21478   10.73    13.1%    98.5*     0    0.735    3755
     1.80       19392    6579      6709       98.1%      17.5%     19.7%
 19089    6.32    21.3%    96.1*    -3    0.695    2421
     1.70       10889    5093      7126       71.5%      24.8%     27.6%
  9561    3.63    31.7%    89.2*     2    0.750     350
    total      175109   42539     45034       94.5%       4.0%      4.2%
173178   23.25     4.6%    99.9*     1    0.808   25464

    Very low res data complete to ~90% (10-20A)
    twinning analysis
    Accentric
    <I**2>/<I>**2 = 1.96 (untwinned 2.0, pefect twin 1.5)

    <|L|> = 0.478 (0.5 expected, 0.375, perfect twin)
    <L**2> = 0.314 (0.33 expected, perfect twin .20)

    Wilson plot - estimated B factor =  10.6

    1 molec /asu
    1 off origin patterson peak Height: 4.127


    Molecular replacement (Phaser) and Refinement (Phenix)
    Soution only in P212121 when processed in P222
    After refinement r_work = 0.2760 r_free = 0.3221 bonds = 0.011 angles
= 1.430
    Waters not yet added
    Still some work to be done: Only 88% in Favored regions and a helix to
be modeledin (10 out of ~ 400 residues)

    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  56.188 106.072 67.149 90 90.083 90
  P2
    REFLECTIONS OF TYPE H,0,0  0,K,0  0,0,L OR EXPECTED TO BE ABSENT (*)
   --------------------------------------------------------------------

   H    K    L  RESOLUTION  INTENSITY     SIGMA    INTENSITY/SIGMA  #OBSERVED

    0    0    4    16.787   0.7371E+03  0.1419E+02        51.93          
4 0    0    5    13.430  -0.1886E+00  0.6700E+01        -0.03         
 3 0    0    6    11.191   0.8114E+03  0.1904E+02        42.62        
  3 0    0    7     9.593   0.1002E+02  0.8988E+01         1.11       
   3 0    0    8     8.394   0.1207E+04  0.3247E+02        37.18      
    2 0    0    9     7.461   0.2742E+03  0.1516E+02        18.09     
     2 0    0   10     6.715   0.2812E+04  0.5793E+02        48.54    
      3 0    0   11     6.104   0.9688E+01  0.1350E+02         0.72   
       3 0    0   12     5.596   0.5878E+04  0.1171E+03        50.21  
        3 0    0   13     5.165   0.1393E+02  0.1553E+02         0.90 
         3 0    0   14     4.796   0.4194E+03  0.2053E+02        20.43
          3 0    0   17     3.950   0.1953E+03  0.2314E+02        
8.44           3 0    0   18     3.730   0.3026E+04  0.6746E+02       
44.86           3 0    0   19     3.534   0.4052E+03  0.2912E+02      
 13.92           3 0    0   20     3.357   0.3184E+04  0.7203E+02     
  44.21           3 0    0   22     3.052   0.9765E+04  0.3365E+03    
   29.02           1 0    0   23     2.920   0.3395E+03  0.4897E+02   
     6.93           1 0    0   24     2.798   0.1234E+03  0.4774E+02  
      2.58           1 0    0   25     2.686   0.1902E+02  0.4727E+02 
       0.40           1 0    0   26     2.583   0.1635E+04  0.7802E+02
       20.95           1 0    0   27     2.487   0.3243E+03 
0.5796E+02         5.60           1 0    0   28     2.398   0.2913E+04
 0.1222E+03        23.83           1 0    0   29     2.315  
0.3650E+02  0.5151E+02         0.71           1 0    0   30     2.238 
 0.4204E+03  0.6762E+02         6.22           1 0    0   31     2.166
  0.4294E+03  0.6832E+02         6.29           1 0    0   32    
2.098   0.3665E+04  0.1455E+03        25.18           1 0    0   33   
 2.035   0.4843E+02  0.6951E+02         0.70           1 0    0   34  
  1.975   0.2151E+04  0.1070E+03        20.10           1 0    0   35 
   1.919   0.3692E+02  0.5922E+02         0.62           1 0    0   36
    1.865   0.1430E+04  0.8572E+02        16.69           1 0    6   
0    17.679   0.2716E+04  0.6484E+02        41.88           2 0    7  
 0    15.153   0.5690E+01  0.5728E+01         0.99           2 0    9 
  0    11.786  -0.8183E+01  0.7247E+01        -1.13           2 0   10
   0    10.607   0.7695E+03  0.2079E+02        37.01           2 0  
11    0     9.643  -0.1919E+01  0.8897E+01        -0.22           2 0 
 12    0     8.839   0.1198E+04  0.3096E+02        38.70           2 0
  13    0     8.159   0.9875E+01  0.1048E+02         0.94           2
0   15    0     7.071   0.2055E+02  0.1179E+02         1.74          
2 0   17    0     6.240   0.1361E+01  0.1252E+02         0.11         
 2 0   18    0     5.893   0.5356E+04  0.1290E+03        41.54        
  2 0   19    0     5.583   0.4309E+02  0.1458E+02         2.95       
   2 0   20    0     5.304   0.5713E+04  0.1377E+03        41.49      
    2 0   21    0     5.051   0.3815E+02  0.1559E+02         2.45     
     2 0   22    0     4.821   0.1963E+04  0.5152E+02        38.10    
      2 0   23    0     4.612  -0.4939E+02  0.1813E+02        -2.72   
       2 0   24    0     4.420   0.6401E+03  0.2774E+02        23.08  
        2 0   25    0     4.243   0.3038E+02  0.2130E+02         1.43 
         2 0   26    0     4.080   0.1054E+05  0.2527E+03        41.70
          2 0   28    0     3.788   0.2113E+04  0.6034E+02       
35.02           2 0   29    0     3.658   0.6292E+01  0.2727E+02      
  0.23           2 0   30    0     3.536   0.7334E+04  0.2572E+03     
  28.52           1 0   31    0     3.422  -0.4189E+02  0.5662E+02    
   -0.74           1 0   32    0     3.315   0.7962E+01  0.4740E+02   
     0.17           1 0   33    0     3.214  -0.1009E+02  0.5204E+02  
     -0.19           1 0   34    0     3.120   0.1827E+04  0.8498E+02 
      21.50           1 0   35    0     3.031   0.1701E+02  0.4512E+02
        0.38           1 0   36    0     2.946   0.2340E+03 
0.5634E+02         4.15           1 0   37    0     2.867   0.5759E+02
 0.5532E+02         1.04           1 0   38    0     2.791  
0.3205E+04  0.1241E+03        25.83           1 0   39    0     2.720 
 0.7106E+02  0.5549E+02         1.28           1 0   40    0     2.652
  0.1882E+02  0.6010E+02         0.31           1 0   41    0    
2.587  -0.4538E+02  0.5319E+02        -0.85           1 0   42    0   
 2.526   0.4779E+04  0.1783E+03        26.81           1 0   43    0  
  2.467  -0.1161E+02  0.6746E+02        -0.17           1 0   44    0 
   2.411   0.3388E+04  0.1429E+03        23.70           1 0   45    0
    2.357   0.7914E+01  0.6885E+02         0.11           1 0   46   
0     2.306   0.6401E+03  0.8085E+02         7.92           1 0   47  
 0     2.257   0.8448E+01  0.7337E+02         0.12           1 0   48 
  0     2.210   0.1121E+03  0.7723E+02         1.45           1 0   49
   0     2.165   0.9636E+02  0.8220E+02         1.17           1 0  
50    0     2.121   0.9795E+03  0.9043E+02        10.83           1 0 
 51    0     2.080   0.9658E+02  0.8250E+02         1.17           1 0
  52    0     2.040  -0.1239E+02  0.8772E+02        -0.14           1
0   53    0     2.001  -0.4405E+01  0.8213E+02        -0.05          
1 0   54    0     1.964   0.5261E+03  0.8460E+02         6.22         
 1 0   55    0     1.929   0.1024E+03  0.8495E+02         1.21        
  1 0   56    0     1.894   0.2097E+04  0.1220E+03        17.18       
   1 0   57    0     1.861  -0.9680E+02  0.8166E+02        -1.19      
    1 0   58    0     1.829  -0.1196E+03  0.8407E+02        -1.42     
     1 0   59    0     1.798   0.1302E+03  0.8407E+02         1.55    
      1 0   60    0     1.768   0.5786E+03  0.8353E+02         6.93   
       1 0   61    0     1.739   0.1614E+02  0.7909E+02         0.20  
        1 3    0    0    18.729   0.4087E+01  0.4877E+01         0.84 
         2 4    0    0    14.047   0.4620E+04  0.1563E+03        29.57
          1 5    0    0    11.238   0.2628E+02  0.7980E+01        
3.29           2 7    0    0     8.027   0.1388E+03  0.1199E+02       
11.57           2 8    0    0     7.023   0.4997E+04  0.1207E+03      
 41.41           2 9    0    0     6.243  -0.3491E+01  0.1404E+02     
  -0.25           2
   10    0    0     5.619   0.7205E+03  0.2461E+02        29.28          
2 16    0    0     3.512   0.7500E+03  0.3599E+02        20.84         
 2 17    0    0     3.305   0.2017E+03  0.2954E+02         6.83        
  2 18    0    0     3.122   0.8955E+04  0.2177E+03        41.14       
   2 19    0    0     2.957   0.2619E+02  0.3592E+02         0.73      
    1 20    0    0     2.809   0.5455E+03  0.4308E+02        12.66     
     1 21    0    0     2.676   0.4300E+01  0.3632E+02         0.12    
      1 22    0    0     2.554   0.6695E+03  0.4925E+02        13.59   
       1 23    0    0     2.443   0.1916E+02  0.4766E+02         0.40  
        1 24    0    0     2.341   0.7016E+03  0.6038E+02        11.62 
         1 25    0    0     2.248  -0.6989E+02  0.5147E+02        -1.36
          1 26    0    0     2.161   0.9047E+03  0.6482E+02       
13.96           1 27    0    0     2.081   0.6900E+02  0.5447E+02      
  1.27           1 28    0    0     2.007   0.4734E+03  0.5668E+02     
   8.35           1 29    0    0     1.938   0.1150E+03  0.5947E+02    
    1.93           1



Res   OBS  UNIQUE POS COMP  R(obs) R(exp)            I/Sig  Rmeas CC1/2

4.96 13512 3348 3568   93.8%  2.5%  2.5%  13461   47.52 2.8%  99.9*  2   
0.859    2641
     3.56 24267 5885 5938   99.1%  2.4%  2.5%   24249  48.26 2.7%  99.9*
-2    0.809    4704
     2.93 22330 7401 7551   98.0%  2.8%  2.7%   22018  34.01 3.4%  99.8*
3    0.873    2097
     2.54 19890 8751 8971   97.5%  3.5%  3.5%   19338  22.53 4.7%  99.6*
2    0.968     232
     2.28 20645 9773 10080  97.0%  4.6%  4.7%   19775  16.89 6.2%  99.4*
-99    0.919       2
     2.08 21352 10332 11093 93.1%  6.1%  6.5%   20047  12.69 8.3%  99.0*
0    0.000       0
     1.93 21331 10559 12116 87.1%  9.4%  10.2%   19606 8.51  12.7% 97.7*
0    0.000       0
     1.80 19417 9965  12977 76.8%  15.5%  17.2%  17229 5.19  21.1% 94.5*
0    0.000       0
     1.70 11478 6792  13746 49.4%  22.2%  24.3%   8608 3.24  30.2%  88.2*
0    0.000       0
    total174222 72806 86040 84.6%   3.5%  3.7%  164331 18.57  4.4%  99.8*
1    0.840    9676


 Systematic absences suggest one 2(1) fold rotation symetry axis
   Almost 2 more but there are a number of violations.

   Very low res data complete to ~82% (10-20A)
   twinning analysis
    Accentric
    <I**2>/<I>**2 = 1.97 (untwinned 2.0, pefect twin 1.5)
    <F>**2/<F**2> =0.792 (0.785 untwinned, 0.885 perfect twin)
    <|L|> = 0.490 (0.5 expected, 0.375, perfect twin)
    <L**2> = 0.324 (0.33 expected, perfect twin .20)

    possible twin law h, -k, -l
    Wilson plot - estimated B factor =  10.6

    2 molec /asu
    1 off origin patterson peak Height: 4.974

    Molecular Replacement (Phaser, automated) and refinement
    Solution in P21 when processed in P2

   Refinement without twin law:
   Rwork = 0.3387
   Rfree = 0.3650
   ~85% Ramachandran favored (+ missing part of helix)
   Refinement with twin law:
   Rwork = 0.2994
   Rfree = 0.3214




-- 
Yarrow Madrona

Postdoctoral Scholar
Ortiz De Montellano Lab
Pharmeceutical Chemistry Dept.
University of California, San Francisco
Genentech Hall, Rm N556




-- 
Yarrow Madrona

Graduate Student
Molecular Biology and Biochemistry Dept.
University of California, Irvine
Natural Sciences I, Rm 2403
Irvine, CA 92697

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