Hi Charles, Congratulations on getting an RNA heteroduplex to crystallize! Most do not crystallize.
You should make and look at a native Patterson map to find the off-origin peak(s) that give the report of tNCS. The direction and distance of this peak from the origin can be enlightening. For an example with two levels of tNCS from an RNA duplex, see https://doi.org/10.1107/S2059798316001224. Best regards, Blaine . Blaine Mooers, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, College of Medicine Director of the Laboratory of Biomolecular Structure and Function Academic Director, Biomolecular Structure Core, COBRE in Structural Biology Full Member, Cancer Biology Program, Stephenson Cancer Center University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center Mailing Address: 975 NE 10th Street, BRC 466 Oklahoma City, OK 73104-5419 Office: 405-271-8300 Lab: 405-271-8312 Websites: Faculty page: https://basicsciences.ouhsc.edu/bmb/Faculty/bio_details/mooers-blaine-hm-phd BSC-OKC (LBSF): https://research.ouhsc.edu/Core-Facilities/Laboratory-of-Biomolecular-Structure-and-Function COBRE in Structural Biology: https://www.ou.edu/structuralbiology ________________________________ From: CCP4 bulletin board <[email protected]> on behalf of Nichols, Charlie <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 6:17 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Phasing a difficult RNA heteroduplex structure Dear all, I am trying to solve the structure of an RNA heteroduplex + ligand with approximate MW of 6800. * Structure likely to have a core helical region and a couple of bases of single stranded material at both ends on both strands I have datasets from visually similar crystals with different, but related unit cells: Form1: 32.70 32.70 54.55 90.00 90.00 120.00 – best native ~2.9A - different pipelines reported P62 2 2, P62 and P32 from auto-indexing - P6222 impossible to fit 1 complete heteroduplex - P62, most consistent indexing choice, 37% solvent, low Matthews probability but possible to fit 1 heteroduplex However, Xia/Dials report tNCS * If the ASU only has room for 1 copy the heteroduplex there can’t be tNCS, does this therefore mean we must have twinning? * There is a reasonable similarity NMR structure in the PDB, this is ~45A long * I am therefore guessing that the duplexes are most probably making end-end contacts to form long fibres that are ~aligned along the Z-axis and that the crystal either contains fibres bound both ways up, or that the duplex can bind either way up to create the fibres, the twinning then superposes the two orientations to create two identical repeats mimicking tNCS – does this seem a reasonable interpretation? I have a dataset with Zn/Mg exchange and good anomalous signal to ~3.8A, ShelX finds good sites but DM / phase-extension with the 2.9A native data creates a mess and there is little difference between the two hands – can you give any advice on how I might try to proceed with experimental phasing in this case? Form2: 62.40 62.40 54.82 90.00 90.00 120.00 – best native ~2.5A - Auto-indexes as P62 / P64, higher resolution data than Form1 - Again, Xia/Dials report tNCS - Cell has a doubling of a/b dimensions but c is the same - Molecular replacement fails completely - Cobalt-hexammine soak gave strong anomalous signal but only to ~6A, again ShelX finds good sites, but DM / phase-extension gives a mess - From the pathology of Form1, I am concerned that we have exactly the same issue with overlaid flipped orientations along the Z-axis Any advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, take care, Dr Charlie Nichols Charles River Laboratories ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1__;!!GNU8KkXDZlD12Q!9uYAeKyGOrYcBL-0Slcan0qVzqy88NN9OfQManX3aaITdeuYvHH4lk-D_2anYEfHApdOY5zf25y6E2oPoibtxaI_VSHocA$> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/
