Now I realize that I did not answer your question why the R-values are higher 
than expected for a 1.8A structure near the end of the refinement.
It could be
- not indexing (say) half of the reflections because they are systematically 
weak due to tNCS, resulting in wrong (too small) cell parameters
- wrong spacegroup (you should check the other two P21 settings, and P1)
- twinning of a P1 or P21 crystal that happens to have all-90° angles
- strong anisotropy showing 1.8A only in one or two directions, but much less 
into the other(s).
- translational NCS producing higher-than-normal R-values because (say) half of 
the reflections is weak
- several crystals in the loop whose diffraction patterns overlap, thus 
distorting the intensities
- other kinds of disorder (rare)
- model not accounting for all atoms in the ASU, or wrong chain 
tracing/sequence/register; is the density satisfactory?

Probably I forgot something ...

As Eleanor said: inspect at least post the pointless logfile, and the scaling 
statistics, and the anisotropy information from PHASER, and maybe post that 
here.

Best,
Kay


On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 11:02:44 +0100, Eleanor Dodson <[email protected]> 
wrote:

>I guess you must have CCP4 software installed?
>Try setting up a project with CCP4I2 and running the task under
>Xray data reduction and analysis
>  Data reduction - AIMLESS
>
>This will give you a detailed report on possible spacegroups and indexing..
>Very helpful for a beginner!
>
>
>On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 at 08:03, Kay Diederichs <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jakob,
>>
>> The highest-possible crystal symmetry should always be used, in order to
>> make the description of the experiment as simple (parsimonious) as possible.
>>
>> In my book, the R-values you report are the "same" for P21 and P212121
>> ("same" meaning "similar enough to be explained by different choice of free
>> reflections, and different degrees of freedom resulting from having twice
>> as many atoms"). That means that the higher symmetry is the correct one.
>>
>> Just note that you can _always_ refine in a lower-symmetry subgroup,
>> without really changing the scientific insight from the experiment.
>> P21 is a subgroup of P212121. Note that in your case, you can choose the
>> unique axis of P21 in three ways - you chose one of them. The other two
>> should give similar R-values.
>> You could even refine in P1 (of course with 4 times the number of
>> molecules in the ASU, compared to P212121, and twice compared to P21),
>> without significantly changing the R-values.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Kay
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