> Gmail is only the single most reliable mail provider in the world, and bounc$
Reliable? Maybe. There _are_ a few things I count on it for. (Antisocial things, but if reliability per se is your goodness criterion....) If you really feel so strongly about it that you're willing to (by implication) say Jay's system is lying about seeing bounces, maybe you'd be happier just unsubbing? I long ago configured my mailer to silently drop mail from classiccmp lists it would normally bounce (such as mail claiming to be 8859-1 but containing octets outside the 8859-1 printable range, to pick one simple example), and I can't recall ever seeing my listmembership disabled since that, certainly not "every couple of weeks". This all leads me to doubt your "bounces never happen" claim. What is your basis for it? I'm tempted to also suggest you configure your mailer the way I did mine, but I'm inclined to suspect gmail isn't civilized enough to provide that level of control. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B