Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

[Matthew R. Trower]

Sorry Jon, I didn't see the rest of your message... Right now I use thunderbird, or, sometimes emacs.  It gets the job done, on my workstation.  I don't think it's a good fit, though --- just a stopgap.  It doesn't actually check any of the boxes I specified.  I'd rather use DtMail. Regarding potentially stepping down from the project, that would certainly be a blow.  Your reasoning is totally understandable, though.  If you do go, well wishes. Actively hindering development means it's breaking other parts of the build, so you're having to work on fixing it rather than what you're actually trying to work on.  This would be, imo, a practical reason to give the axe. I agree about shipping broken code, but we seem to disagree on whether DtMail is broken.  It still does the things it was designed to do (local mail, fetched mail, text mail etc), just not the things most people are expecting these days. But, I see that by "retire" you mean to just disable it, not rip it out of the codebase.  As long as I can come along later, work on it and revive it without having to totally reintegrate it, i'm fine with that. -mrt From: j...@radscan.com Sent: January 16, 2020 9:06 PM To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released On 1/16/20 7:24 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: DtAppBuilder is a bit weird, and not my niche to comment on.  As for DtMail... If it had IMAP support I'd be using it today.  It's actually always irked me that I can't.  It has some rough edges, but those can also be smoothed.  It doesn't do HTML mail, but not everyone even wants HTML mail. I haven't looked into it in a serious capacity, but I can't imagine IMAP support is some monstrous thing.  I'd wanted to get to this at some point (honestly the top thing I actually *want* to work on in CDE, as opposed to necessary maintenance work.) I did it once for a customer using the alpine IMAP toolkit some years ago.  It was not trivial, but not really rocket science either.  From what I understand, TLS is what's really missing in dtmail... I don't remember, but I thought dtmail did already support IMAP.  Just unsecure/no encryption.  Oh, and HTML rendering, and.... DtMail may not be serving much purpose at the moment, but I don't see a viable replacement for it, either - not something with the history, not something built for motif, not something that runs comfortably on the same baseline of hardware that the rest of CDE does. How about thunderbird?  That's what I am using right now...  Pisses me off from time to time, but it works. Though to be honest, I no longer even use CDE as my DT of choice.  I'm firmly in the KDE camp and have been for the last 10 years. I've been wondering why I waste my spare time continuing to maintain CDE.  Perhaps it's time for someone who actually uses it day to day to take over in a primary role.  I'm about done to be honest.  There's so much more stuff out there that I'm interested in, and more willing to spend precious spare time on.  Any takers? I ask - is this application actively hindering development?  I'm sure it has the same kind of code problems that the rest of CDE has, but are we, say, constantly fixing problems with it to keep the build going?  Does it have problems that are leaking out into the rest of CDE? -mrt From my perspective, the fact it is unusable and no one is fixing it is good enough for me to remove it.  I don't care about 'actively hindering development', whatever that means.  What OSS project ships known broken crap with it's implied support (and responsibility!). -jon From: turkel.christop...@gmail.com Sent: January 16, 2020 7:17 PM To: Cc: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not very useful. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel <cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my previous question, though as a programmer I was never good at taking social queues haha. I feel like the same could be said for this entire project, especially with wayland right around the corner, but people still like their niches. We should keep in mind that this is a historical project, and I think that removing things that could be fixed and that had a purpose within the desktop would be a disservice. Thank you for your time, -Chase ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:26 PM, Jon Trulson <j...@radscan.com> wrote: On 1/15/20 5:41 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: I think I once compiled a non-recent version of open-source CDE for Solaris 11 (SPARC), and it mostly worked, although dtmail was definitely unusable. dtmail is useless.  So much work would need to go into it ,to bring it up to modern standards, and I don't see anyone stepping up to do it. I would like to 'retire' it. dtappbuilder is another one that seemed cool at the time, but who uses it?  Who would use it today if it worked well? That's another one I'd like to 'retire'. -- Jon Trulson "Entropy. It isn't what it used to be." -- Sheldon _______________________________________________ cdesktopenv-devel mailing list cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cdesktopenv-devel -- Jon Trulson "Entropy. It isn't what it used to be." -- Sheldon

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