On 1/16/20 7:24 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > DtAppBuilder is a bit weird, and not my niche to comment on. As for > DtMail... > > If it had IMAP support I'd be using it today. It's actually always > irked me that I can't. It has some rough edges, but those can also be > smoothed. It doesn't do HTML mail, but not everyone even wants HTML mail. > > I haven't looked into it in a serious capacity, but I can't imagine > IMAP support is some monstrous thing. I'd wanted to get to this at > some point (honestly the top thing I actually *want* to work on in > CDE, as opposed to necessary maintenance work.) >
I did it once for a customer using the alpine IMAP toolkit some years ago. It was not trivial, but not really rocket science either. From what I understand, TLS is what's really missing in dtmail... I don't remember, but I thought dtmail did already support IMAP. Just unsecure/no encryption. Oh, and HTML rendering, and.... > DtMail may not be serving much purpose at the moment, but I don't see > a viable replacement for it, either - not something with the history, > not something built for motif, not something that runs comfortably on > the same baseline of hardware that the rest of CDE does. > How about thunderbird? That's what I am using right now... Pisses me off from time to time, but it works. Though to be honest, I no longer even use CDE as my DT of choice. I'm firmly in the KDE camp and have been for the last 10 years. I've been wondering why I waste my spare time continuing to maintain CDE. Perhaps it's time for someone who actually uses it day to day to take over in a primary role. I'm about done to be honest. There's so much more stuff out there that I'm interested in, and more willing to spend precious spare time on. Any takers? > I ask - is this application actively hindering development? I'm sure > it has the same kind of code problems that the rest of CDE has, but > are we, say, constantly fixing problems with it to keep the build > going? Does it have problems that are leaking out into the rest of CDE? > > -mrt > >From my perspective, the fact it is unusable and no one is fixing it is good enough for me to remove it. I don't care about 'actively hindering development', whatever that means. What OSS project ships known broken crap with it's implied support (and responsibility!). -jon > *From:* turkel.christop...@gmail.com > *Sent:* January 16, 2020 7:17 PM > *To:* > *Cc:* cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > *Subject:* Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released > > > I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not very useful. > > On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel > <cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote: > > I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my previous question, > though as a programmer I was never good at taking social queues haha. > > I feel like the same could be said for this entire project, > especially with wayland right around the corner, but people still > like their niches. We should keep in mind that this is a > historical project, and I think that removing things that could be > fixed and that had a purpose within the desktop would be a disservice. > > Thank you for your time, > -Chase > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:26 PM, Jon Trulson > <j...@radscan.com <mailto:j...@radscan.com>> wrote: > >> On 1/15/20 5:41 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> I think I once compiled a non-recent version of open-source CDE for >>> Solaris 11 (SPARC), and it mostly worked, although dtmail was definitely >>> unusable. >> >> dtmail is useless. So much work would need to go into it ,to >> bring it up to modern standards, and I don't see anyone stepping >> up to do it. >> >> I would like to 'retire' it. >> >> dtappbuilder is another one that seemed cool at the time, but who >> uses it? Who */would/* use it today if it worked well? >> >> That's another one I'd like to 'retire'. >> >> >> -- >> Jon Trulson >> >> "Entropy. It isn't what it used to be." >> -- Sheldon >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > cdesktopenv-devel mailing list > cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cdesktopenv-devel -- Jon Trulson "Entropy. It isn't what it used to be." -- Sheldon
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