>From: "Mike A. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>>     You are talking about pre 1993 drives. Do you know anybody who is still
>>>     using a 1x or 2x CD-ROM drive from these days?
>>
>>Me for one

>I've also got one.  My 1993 2x drive and my 1994 4x drive are
>still running in great shape as good as they did brand new.  The
>crap they have put out in the last 5 to 6 years is designed to
>last 6 months so you have to replace it.  I'd rather not play
>that game.  We all know that a 52 speed CDROM is not really 52
>speed by any far stretch of the imagination after all...  If the
>newer drives came with a set of earplugs I'd consider upgrading
>from a 4x to an 8x perhaps...  ;o)  A 40x drive is really more
>like 12x from my measurements...

So you never tried to copy a Audio CD... your old drive will not
allow you to extract audio at all or if, it will do it in 
catrastrophical quality.

52x is a joke, You know that there are two different 40x Plextor drives?
The second was announced as 52x by some people outside Plextor...
Plextor only named it 40x too althouhg it _is_ faster than the old
one.

If I rip audio off a CD using the new PX40, I get an average of
32x. If I do the same with the old PX40, I get an average of 24x.

There is nothing prooving your statement that it is only 12x.

>The point to Jeorg being that there is no reason for me (or you
>Alan) to upgrade a perfectly good working drive that we are happy
>with and which works fine today.

I cannot believe that you are still running a P60 based PC from 1994. This
would be a  lot slower than my 1989 Sparcstation II ...

Next point: non SCSI drives from 1993 are crap, they have only been
made by low quality companies and they have big problems reading
old worn out CD's correctly.


>>> OK, I'll try it but I thought that you as the integrative person may/should
>>> issue some pressure to the developers to help Linux to evolve into a direction
>>> that makes it easier to use for most people.
>>
>>I really dont follow that part of your argument at all.

>No kidding..  Jeorg, Linux isn't a company ran OS that Alan or
>someone can say "hey you - you must code this".  It is "you have
>an idea you think is good, well then by all means show me the
>code, and we'll talk" OS.  So Jeorg, where is that code?

Nice idea but it misses important facts:

-       If Linux is maintained this way it will not improove in
        quality and maintainability.

-       Alan already _is_ deciding what is going into the kernel.
        If he does, he should do it on a rational base.

-       I am working mainly on cdrecord. The fact that most
        people in this mailing list do not help other people
        causes a high mail effort for me.

        I not even have the time for other important projects
        from me. Look at star, it is much better than GNU tar in
        many points but as I did not have the time to add large
        file support and incremental backups, people are still
        using the crappy GNU tar...

        ... so why should I help other people with their work?

-       I already _did_ what you propose and I miserably faied!

        I started to make the Linux sg driver better 3 years
        ago. Alan did not include my changes into Linux but
        rather added some code of a SCSI novice (Douglas Gilbert)
        who did some work on sg.c that was completely unnessecary
        if the Linux SCSI system would have a decent structure.
        A driver like the sg driver should never know about
        scatter gather DMA at all! The effect of that decision
        was that it took 2 years for Douglas Gilbert to learn
        the basics of SCSI transport. Now we have a new interface
        with a quality we could have 3 years eralier....


>Since you "know" all of the "problems" with this stuff in Linux
>so well, with your level of talent in the field of SCSI, I would
>think that you could design something between breakfast and
>lunch, and implement it before dinner.

>One would also think then that there would be no more problems in
>the Linux SCSI subsystem with which you would continue to
>incessantly attack Linux for.


Do you really believe that I make a second try and contribute
source to the Linux kernel after I failed so miserably?

J�rg

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