So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 01:48:54PM +0200:
> You really seem to have problems to get it:

It seems that I don't get what you want, that's right.

> 
> 1)    I warn poeple when FSF programs do make life harder.

Why make tools with a greater ease of use life harder?

> 
>       -       Look at the GNU tar source and judge your own. The 
>               GNU tar source is a big pile of spaghetti code. It is
>               hard to find bugs by people who are not used to work on it.

That's right.

>       
>       -       Next time you will send me a bug report for cdrecord,
>               I will tell you that it is _your_ task to find a patch
>               for the bug. So please stay resonable!

I don't get it - if I have a problem with cdrecord, it's of course my task
to either write a patch for it and tell you about it, or to at least inform
you, the author, about it.  But why should I tell the guy next door that I
have a problem with cdrecord, so that he writes a patch to cdrecord?  That's
what you are suggesting wrt. tar - you've said that I should patch tar.  I'm
not the author of tar.  So what I said was reasonable - maybe my choice of
words was not.

> >Why?  Just because the shell scripts are incompatible with bash?  So upgrade
> >your shell scripts!
> 
> Stay reasonable: if you like to force people to change to a nonstandard shell,
> you should first "upgrade" several hundreds of kilobytes of shell code from
> Solaris and tell the administrators that you are going to give them 7/24 support
> for your changes and for bash.

Okay, but he used /bin/bash, didn't he?  With this approach, it is very much
portable, as /bin/bash is not the default shell.  So both mine and your
remarks are exaggerated.

> But there is no portable way to do it. The question is: do you really need
> su a nonstandard feature?

Good question.  To enhance the ease of use: Yes, you do need such a feature. 
But he may write something like I suggeseted, together with:

# If your system does not provide a /proc/kcore file or the 'free' tool,
# please enter the amount of system memory manually.

Alexander Skwar
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