I think my suggestion of free beer pong after round eight has been excluded from this discussion and it makes me feels sad.
Scott Quoting Andy Ellis <[email protected]>: > Sadly for any amongst you looking for an exciting edebate clash, im filing > most of this under Darrens first inclination "what it might look like" > I had a vision of what CEDA nationals could look like and i thought it worth > sharing. If elected i would be excited to work toward it. > > But the presidency of CEDA is not a dictatorship. If the membership was not > supportive of the move, didnt want to vote on the bid, or hopefully had > ideas that altered it to make it better, i would happily > work collaboratively with the ec and the community to support the desire of > the organization. But lets not pretend that presidents don't seek and assist > bid submitters. > > I recognize the money is not workable in the current set up but i believe we > can cut/shift/fund alot of the current costs, especially if working in > an environment the president knows well. My goal is to make CEDA nationals > as affordable as possible and most of my plans are in line with that goal. > > The reason it is difficult to do the same thing for JV novice Nationals is > because it is not put on by a large national organization. YOURS and the > Towson University foundation both provide 501 C3 status to the event but not > the same way ceda would. The bargaining power of a national organization > with colleges all over the nation as its membership is simply higher than a > sub-account of university foundation or small startup non profit. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Darren Elliott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just a couple quick thoughts/questions from sunny Texas and the 2 Step: > > > > The other candidates should feel free to state their opinion with regards > > to the following as well. How would you do it differently or similarly? > > > > 1. You say below, if elected, your Nationals would be in Baltimore. If I > > were to vote for you and you won, does that mean Baltimore would definitely > > be the site for CEDA in your year as President? Or does that fall under > the > > first statement, "what it might look like"? Or do you plan on abandoning > > the long standing tradition of allowing member schools to submit bids to > > host CEDA that are voted on by the Executive Council? Some may favor a > bold > > move and a yes response would persuade them in your favor. Others may be > > dissuaded by a significant change in course. One reason the bid process is > > important, is to ensure schools, who might need to host for PR reasons, get > > a shot to put forth a bid. When OU hosted, it was a PR advantage. And it > > saved CEDA a ton of money thanks to the generosity of President Boren. > This > > year, Idaho State was chosen for 2 major factors. First, we have never > been > > to the Rocky Mountain Region and it was important to support a growing > > debate Regio > > n. Second, they have a donor who has given their program, and will give > > CEDA Nationals a significant sum of money. It was important for ISU and > > this donor to host CEDA this year. The committee voted for that bid due in > > large part to those factors. Berkley won next years bid because they were > > willing to do both the NDT and CEDA, back-to-back, making it convenient for > > people going to both. So for many, the bid process is an important one. > > > > 2. Your figures about CEDA Nationals making 20-30,000 dollars are very > > misleading. Once we pay out catering for the receptions, trophies, any > > convention space cost at the hotel, pay for the hired tournament staff, > misc > > bills, the Journal, etc. the amount usually about breaks even. We are not > > making a profit. Those figures also do not take into account the current > > budget model CEDA is trying to follow. A couple years ago we moved from > the > > notion that CEDA should have to make enough money to pay all of our > > expenses, putting us at the mercy if the tournament's size each year. The > > goal was to make us financially stable off of membership dues, AND to > reduce > > the cost to attend CEDA. Your figures assume $100 entry fees per team. We > > have moved beyond that model, and in the future hope to charge team fees > > that just cover the costs of the tournament, not running the organization > as > > they previously have. This means we charge $150 for membershio now as > > opposed to $50 per school, > > and we plan to reduce the cost of entry fees for CEDA Nationals for the > > first time in the history of the National Tournament. If your goal was to > > have all the above costs absorbed by local Baltimore businesses, that would > > be great. But it would seem to be a reason to continue with the "make CEDA > > affordable" model we are moving towards, and reducing entry fees for the > > programs competing. > > > > 3. A final thought. Your ideas below are great and grand. My points > > above are not to deny your passion or vision. They were to illuminate the > > current structure. But I do wonder if you could pull off something like > you > > envision, by doing this through the Novice/JV Nationals that Baltimore > hosts > > yearly. It seems like a yearly commitment might be even more successful > and > > would have greater long term benefits, and an on-going relationship between > > debate and the Baltimore community. WHat do you think? > > > > chief > > > > Darren Elliott > > Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC > > CEDA President > > > > > > ANDY ELLIS WROTE:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > So one of the key roles of a ceda president is to coordinate a CEDA > > nationals. > > Here is what mine might look like. > > > > It would be in Baltimore. > > > > The hotel would be downtown at the harbor. Perhaps the new hilton (its > > connected to the convention center and next to a light rail stop that takes > > you too and from the airport-we will run an evidence shuttle) you > > really shouldn't have to rent a car if you dont want to, everything you > > need > > is at the harbor, food, drink, aquarium, science center, shopping, slots, > > cool neighborhoods... Camden yards is right next door perhaps we could get > > CEDA nats night at Camden yards... The out rounds would be held at the > > convention center. They would be open to the public. If possible i would > > like to charge for ticket packages, perhaps $10 per day or $15 for both > > days. We can't fill it, but i bet alot of you could convince folks who you > > know on the eastern seaboard to come up. It would be great in my eyes if > > there where people not from the tournament watching our elimination rounds, > > and i think we have more power to make it happen then we think we do. I > > would even try to arrange alumni packages at the hotels if say the jay > > hawks wanted to bring a large contingent. > > > > The hospitality could be hooked up and the scene can't be beat... > > > > Prelims. > > > > There are dozens of college campuses....but i am less interested in > > that(though could definitely arrange it), instead i would like to work with > > the city and the local business community to form a partnership that uses > > the investment debate programs make in ceda nationals toward a socially > > just > > goal. CEDA nationals makes about 20 to 30 thousand, in my vision that > > 20,000 > > could be CEDApartnership stake in the renovation of vacant homes schools or > > buildings. For that investment CEDA would get the following: > > > > The First occupant of the buildings would be CEDA nationals. It would be > > renovated in a way that worked for the tournament but was > > easily transformable into affordable housing and/or office space for > > community groups. > > After CEDA nationals CEDA would get community space for a center where CEDA > > college debaters could work with high school students and a space where > > local college students could do internship projects for the organization. > > Otherwise the space would be utilized for affordable housing and office > > space by the city/developer/ etc. > > > > The renovation of course would be cause for a celebration and the city > > would > > probably close the street and throw some kind of party and make you feel > > kinda like you where on a campus. > > > > Habitat for Humanity would be a good CEDA partner perhaps... > > > > Once we have this as our goal- using our enterprise toward social goals, > > without sacrificing our enterprise- it becomes a lot easier to build small > > amounts of guaranteed capital investment into matching grants...in other > > words...if we can guarantee that we can raise 20 k we can raise money with > > a > > 20 k match. > > > > There would be a webpage for CEDA nationals that was functional and > > friendly. It would have been a two year collaborative project that led up > > to > > it, where tech talented people in the community collaborated with students > > (high school and college) to build the site that people need(but also the > > platform for the future). As long as there is education going on, money is > > available...the point agin being that using something we need (a good web > > platform for our national tournament) in the service of a social goal > > (teaching tech skills on a big project ) kinda just makes more sense. > > > > I would work with networks of youth non profits in Baltimore and hopefully > > be able to get photographers, events workers, ballot runners, video people, > > t shirt designers, and everything else under the sun, we might have to pay > > them, but thats a good investment on our part. > > > > There is something about the prelims working with and not just in a > > community that will drive people out to see the out rounds at the > > convention > > center. > > > > Oh yeah, the whole thing would be broadcast live at least over the > > internet, > > and who knows maybe on CSPAN, or something more exciting. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not forgetting about debate, in fact the rooms > > would > > be configured more ideally for debate than any other location, because its > > first use would be debate. I am not looking to sacrifice what we do, im > > looking to get more return out of our investment. > > Accessibility ? Actually that works better in my model as well. If CEDA had > > an idea of how many rooms needed to be "accessible" that would be that many > > more accessible rooms on that block...see how this works. > > > > > > > > Now this is gonna take organizing, money, work, and commitment. But we can > > do it and we should want to do it...Its good for people(the prelims) the > > planet (don't have to rent a car and transforming brownfields into > > affordable housing) and profit (the elims and the money that funds the > > social projects) and it would be the most fun place to ever have a hotel. > > > > If you like the idea but think its unrealistic, don't stop liking the idea, > > work with me to make it realistic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CEDA-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/ceda-l > > > _______________________________________________ CEDA-L mailing list [email protected] http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/ceda-l
