Im sure scott can find a bear pong game during or after round 8, my plan did not say anything about not using prefs
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I think my suggestion of free beer pong after round eight has been excluded > from > this discussion and it makes me feels sad. > > Scott > > > Quoting Andy Ellis <[email protected]>: > > > Sadly for any amongst you looking for an exciting edebate clash, im > filing > > most of this under Darrens first inclination "what it might look like" > > I had a vision of what CEDA nationals could look like and i thought it > worth > > sharing. If elected i would be excited to work toward it. > > > > But the presidency of CEDA is not a dictatorship. If the membership was > not > > supportive of the move, didnt want to vote on the bid, or hopefully had > > ideas that altered it to make it better, i would happily > > work collaboratively with the ec and the community to support the desire > of > > the organization. But lets not pretend that presidents don't seek and > assist > > bid submitters. > > > > I recognize the money is not workable in the current set up but i believe > we > > can cut/shift/fund alot of the current costs, especially if working in > > an environment the president knows well. My goal is to make CEDA > nationals > > as affordable as possible and most of my plans are in line with that > goal. > > > > The reason it is difficult to do the same thing for JV novice Nationals > is > > because it is not put on by a large national organization. YOURS and the > > Towson University foundation both provide 501 C3 status to the event but > not > > the same way ceda would. The bargaining power of a national organization > > with colleges all over the nation as its membership is simply higher than > a > > sub-account of university foundation or small startup non profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Darren Elliott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Just a couple quick thoughts/questions from sunny Texas and the 2 Step: > > > > > > The other candidates should feel free to state their opinion with > regards > > > to the following as well. How would you do it differently or > similarly? > > > > > > 1. You say below, if elected, your Nationals would be in Baltimore. > If I > > > were to vote for you and you won, does that mean Baltimore would > definitely > > > be the site for CEDA in your year as President? Or does that fall > under > > the > > > first statement, "what it might look like"? Or do you plan on > abandoning > > > the long standing tradition of allowing member schools to submit bids > to > > > host CEDA that are voted on by the Executive Council? Some may favor a > > bold > > > move and a yes response would persuade them in your favor. Others may > be > > > dissuaded by a significant change in course. One reason the bid > process is > > > important, is to ensure schools, who might need to host for PR reasons, > get > > > a shot to put forth a bid. When OU hosted, it was a PR advantage. And > it > > > saved CEDA a ton of money thanks to the generosity of President Boren. > > This > > > year, Idaho State was chosen for 2 major factors. First, we have never > > been > > > to the Rocky Mountain Region and it was important to support a growing > > > debate Regio > > > n. Second, they have a donor who has given their program, and will > give > > > CEDA Nationals a significant sum of money. It was important for ISU > and > > > this donor to host CEDA this year. The committee voted for that bid > due in > > > large part to those factors. Berkley won next years bid because they > were > > > willing to do both the NDT and CEDA, back-to-back, making it convenient > for > > > people going to both. So for many, the bid process is an important > one. > > > > > > 2. Your figures about CEDA Nationals making 20-30,000 dollars are very > > > misleading. Once we pay out catering for the receptions, trophies, any > > > convention space cost at the hotel, pay for the hired tournament staff, > > misc > > > bills, the Journal, etc. the amount usually about breaks even. We are > not > > > making a profit. Those figures also do not take into account the > current > > > budget model CEDA is trying to follow. A couple years ago we moved > from > > the > > > notion that CEDA should have to make enough money to pay all of our > > > expenses, putting us at the mercy if the tournament's size each year. > The > > > goal was to make us financially stable off of membership dues, AND to > > reduce > > > the cost to attend CEDA. Your figures assume $100 entry fees per team. > We > > > have moved beyond that model, and in the future hope to charge team > fees > > > that just cover the costs of the tournament, not running the > organization > > as > > > they previously have. This means we charge $150 for membershio now as > > > opposed to $50 per school, > > > and we plan to reduce the cost of entry fees for CEDA Nationals for > the > > > first time in the history of the National Tournament. If your goal was > to > > > have all the above costs absorbed by local Baltimore businesses, that > would > > > be great. But it would seem to be a reason to continue with the "make > CEDA > > > affordable" model we are moving towards, and reducing entry fees for > the > > > programs competing. > > > > > > 3. A final thought. Your ideas below are great and grand. My points > > > above are not to deny your passion or vision. They were to illuminate > the > > > current structure. But I do wonder if you could pull off something > like > > you > > > envision, by doing this through the Novice/JV Nationals that Baltimore > > hosts > > > yearly. It seems like a yearly commitment might be even more > successful > > and > > > would have greater long term benefits, and an on-going relationship > between > > > debate and the Baltimore community. WHat do you think? > > > > > > chief > > > > > > Darren Elliott > > > Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC > > > CEDA President > > > > > > > > > ANDY ELLIS WROTE:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > So one of the key roles of a ceda president is to coordinate a CEDA > > > nationals. > > > Here is what mine might look like. > > > > > > It would be in Baltimore. > > > > > > The hotel would be downtown at the harbor. Perhaps the new hilton (its > > > connected to the convention center and next to a light rail stop that > takes > > > you too and from the airport-we will run an evidence shuttle) you > > > really shouldn't have to rent a car if you dont want to, everything you > > > need > > > is at the harbor, food, drink, aquarium, science center, shopping, > slots, > > > cool neighborhoods... Camden yards is right next door perhaps we could > get > > > CEDA nats night at Camden yards... The out rounds would be held at the > > > convention center. They would be open to the public. If possible i > would > > > like to charge for ticket packages, perhaps $10 per day or $15 for both > > > days. We can't fill it, but i bet alot of you could convince folks who > you > > > know on the eastern seaboard to come up. It would be great in my eyes > if > > > there where people not from the tournament watching our elimination > rounds, > > > and i think we have more power to make it happen then we think we do. I > > > would even try to arrange alumni packages at the hotels if say the jay > > > hawks wanted to bring a large contingent. > > > > > > The hospitality could be hooked up and the scene can't be beat... > > > > > > Prelims. > > > > > > There are dozens of college campuses....but i am less interested in > > > that(though could definitely arrange it), instead i would like to work > with > > > the city and the local business community to form a partnership that > uses > > > the investment debate programs make in ceda nationals toward a socially > > > just > > > goal. CEDA nationals makes about 20 to 30 thousand, in my vision that > > > 20,000 > > > could be CEDApartnership stake in the renovation of vacant homes > schools or > > > buildings. For that investment CEDA would get the following: > > > > > > The First occupant of the buildings would be CEDA nationals. It would > be > > > renovated in a way that worked for the tournament but was > > > easily transformable into affordable housing and/or office space for > > > community groups. > > > After CEDA nationals CEDA would get community space for a center where > CEDA > > > college debaters could work with high school students and a space where > > > local college students could do internship projects for the > organization. > > > Otherwise the space would be utilized for affordable housing and office > > > space by the city/developer/ etc. > > > > > > The renovation of course would be cause for a celebration and the city > > > would > > > probably close the street and throw some kind of party and make you > feel > > > kinda like you where on a campus. > > > > > > Habitat for Humanity would be a good CEDA partner perhaps... > > > > > > Once we have this as our goal- using our enterprise toward social > goals, > > > without sacrificing our enterprise- it becomes a lot easier to build > small > > > amounts of guaranteed capital investment into matching grants...in > other > > > words...if we can guarantee that we can raise 20 k we can raise money > with > > > a > > > 20 k match. > > > > > > There would be a webpage for CEDA nationals that was functional and > > > friendly. It would have been a two year collaborative project that led > up > > > to > > > it, where tech talented people in the community collaborated with > students > > > (high school and college) to build the site that people need(but also > the > > > platform for the future). As long as there is education going on, money > is > > > available...the point agin being that using something we need (a good > web > > > platform for our national tournament) in the service of a social goal > > > (teaching tech skills on a big project ) kinda just makes more sense. > > > > > > I would work with networks of youth non profits in Baltimore and > hopefully > > > be able to get photographers, events workers, ballot runners, video > people, > > > t shirt designers, and everything else under the sun, we might have to > pay > > > them, but thats a good investment on our part. > > > > > > There is something about the prelims working with and not just in a > > > community that will drive people out to see the out rounds at the > > > convention > > > center. > > > > > > Oh yeah, the whole thing would be broadcast live at least over the > > > internet, > > > and who knows maybe on CSPAN, or something more exciting. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not forgetting about debate, in fact the rooms > > > would > > > be configured more ideally for debate than any other location, because > its > > > first use would be debate. I am not looking to sacrifice what we do, im > > > looking to get more return out of our investment. > > > Accessibility ? Actually that works better in my model as well. If CEDA > had > > > an idea of how many rooms needed to be "accessible" that would be that > many > > > more accessible rooms on that block...see how this works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this is gonna take organizing, money, work, and commitment. But we > can > > > do it and we should want to do it...Its good for people(the prelims) > the > > > planet (don't have to rent a car and transforming brownfields into > > > affordable housing) and profit (the elims and the money that funds the > > > social projects) and it would be the most fun place to ever have a > hotel. > > > > > > If you like the idea but think its unrealistic, don't stop liking the > idea, > > > work with me to make it realistic. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > CEDA-L mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/ceda-l > > > > > > > > > >
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