pardon me. BEER pong. Though im sure bear pong would be interesting as well.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Andy Ellis <[email protected]> wrote: > Im sure scott can find a bear pong game during or after round 8, my plan > did not say anything about not using prefs > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think my suggestion of free beer pong after round eight has been >> excluded from >> this discussion and it makes me feels sad. >> >> Scott >> >> >> Quoting Andy Ellis <[email protected]>: >> >> > Sadly for any amongst you looking for an exciting edebate clash, im >> filing >> > most of this under Darrens first inclination "what it might look like" >> > I had a vision of what CEDA nationals could look like and i thought it >> worth >> > sharing. If elected i would be excited to work toward it. >> > >> > But the presidency of CEDA is not a dictatorship. If the membership was >> not >> > supportive of the move, didnt want to vote on the bid, or hopefully had >> > ideas that altered it to make it better, i would happily >> > work collaboratively with the ec and the community to support the desire >> of >> > the organization. But lets not pretend that presidents don't seek and >> assist >> > bid submitters. >> > >> > I recognize the money is not workable in the current set up but i >> believe we >> > can cut/shift/fund alot of the current costs, especially if working in >> > an environment the president knows well. My goal is to make CEDA >> nationals >> > as affordable as possible and most of my plans are in line with that >> goal. >> > >> > The reason it is difficult to do the same thing for JV novice Nationals >> is >> > because it is not put on by a large national organization. YOURS and >> the >> > Towson University foundation both provide 501 C3 status to the event but >> not >> > the same way ceda would. The bargaining power of a national organization >> > with colleges all over the nation as its membership is simply higher >> than a >> > sub-account of university foundation or small startup non profit. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Darren Elliott <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Just a couple quick thoughts/questions from sunny Texas and the 2 >> Step: >> > > >> > > The other candidates should feel free to state their opinion with >> regards >> > > to the following as well. How would you do it differently or >> similarly? >> > > >> > > 1. You say below, if elected, your Nationals would be in Baltimore. >> If I >> > > were to vote for you and you won, does that mean Baltimore would >> definitely >> > > be the site for CEDA in your year as President? Or does that fall >> under >> > the >> > > first statement, "what it might look like"? Or do you plan on >> abandoning >> > > the long standing tradition of allowing member schools to submit bids >> to >> > > host CEDA that are voted on by the Executive Council? Some may favor >> a >> > bold >> > > move and a yes response would persuade them in your favor. Others may >> be >> > > dissuaded by a significant change in course. One reason the bid >> process is >> > > important, is to ensure schools, who might need to host for PR >> reasons, get >> > > a shot to put forth a bid. When OU hosted, it was a PR advantage. >> And it >> > > saved CEDA a ton of money thanks to the generosity of President Boren. >> > This >> > > year, Idaho State was chosen for 2 major factors. First, we have >> never >> > been >> > > to the Rocky Mountain Region and it was important to support a growing >> > > debate Regio >> > > n. Second, they have a donor who has given their program, and will >> give >> > > CEDA Nationals a significant sum of money. It was important for ISU >> and >> > > this donor to host CEDA this year. The committee voted for that bid >> due in >> > > large part to those factors. Berkley won next years bid because they >> were >> > > willing to do both the NDT and CEDA, back-to-back, making it >> convenient for >> > > people going to both. So for many, the bid process is an important >> one. >> > > >> > > 2. Your figures about CEDA Nationals making 20-30,000 dollars are >> very >> > > misleading. Once we pay out catering for the receptions, trophies, >> any >> > > convention space cost at the hotel, pay for the hired tournament >> staff, >> > misc >> > > bills, the Journal, etc. the amount usually about breaks even. We are >> not >> > > making a profit. Those figures also do not take into account the >> current >> > > budget model CEDA is trying to follow. A couple years ago we moved >> from >> > the >> > > notion that CEDA should have to make enough money to pay all of our >> > > expenses, putting us at the mercy if the tournament's size each year. >> The >> > > goal was to make us financially stable off of membership dues, AND to >> > reduce >> > > the cost to attend CEDA. Your figures assume $100 entry fees per >> team. We >> > > have moved beyond that model, and in the future hope to charge team >> fees >> > > that just cover the costs of the tournament, not running the >> organization >> > as >> > > they previously have. This means we charge $150 for membershio now as >> > > opposed to $50 per school, >> > > and we plan to reduce the cost of entry fees for CEDA Nationals for >> the >> > > first time in the history of the National Tournament. If your goal >> was to >> > > have all the above costs absorbed by local Baltimore businesses, that >> would >> > > be great. But it would seem to be a reason to continue with the "make >> CEDA >> > > affordable" model we are moving towards, and reducing entry fees for >> the >> > > programs competing. >> > > >> > > 3. A final thought. Your ideas below are great and grand. My points >> > > above are not to deny your passion or vision. They were to illuminate >> the >> > > current structure. But I do wonder if you could pull off something >> like >> > you >> > > envision, by doing this through the Novice/JV Nationals that Baltimore >> > hosts >> > > yearly. It seems like a yearly commitment might be even more >> successful >> > and >> > > would have greater long term benefits, and an on-going relationship >> between >> > > debate and the Baltimore community. WHat do you think? >> > > >> > > chief >> > > >> > > Darren Elliott >> > > Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC >> > > CEDA President >> > > >> > > >> > > ANDY ELLIS WROTE:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > > So one of the key roles of a ceda president is to coordinate a CEDA >> > > nationals. >> > > Here is what mine might look like. >> > > >> > > It would be in Baltimore. >> > > >> > > The hotel would be downtown at the harbor. Perhaps the new hilton (its >> > > connected to the convention center and next to a light rail stop that >> takes >> > > you too and from the airport-we will run an evidence shuttle) you >> > > really shouldn't have to rent a car if you dont want to, everything >> you >> > > need >> > > is at the harbor, food, drink, aquarium, science center, shopping, >> slots, >> > > cool neighborhoods... Camden yards is right next door perhaps we could >> get >> > > CEDA nats night at Camden yards... The out rounds would be held at the >> > > convention center. They would be open to the public. If possible i >> would >> > > like to charge for ticket packages, perhaps $10 per day or $15 for >> both >> > > days. We can't fill it, but i bet alot of you could convince folks who >> you >> > > know on the eastern seaboard to come up. It would be great in my eyes >> if >> > > there where people not from the tournament watching our elimination >> rounds, >> > > and i think we have more power to make it happen then we think we do. >> I >> > > would even try to arrange alumni packages at the hotels if say the jay >> > > hawks wanted to bring a large contingent. >> > > >> > > The hospitality could be hooked up and the scene can't be beat... >> > > >> > > Prelims. >> > > >> > > There are dozens of college campuses....but i am less interested in >> > > that(though could definitely arrange it), instead i would like to work >> with >> > > the city and the local business community to form a partnership that >> uses >> > > the investment debate programs make in ceda nationals toward a >> socially >> > > just >> > > goal. CEDA nationals makes about 20 to 30 thousand, in my vision that >> > > 20,000 >> > > could be CEDApartnership stake in the renovation of vacant homes >> schools or >> > > buildings. For that investment CEDA would get the following: >> > > >> > > The First occupant of the buildings would be CEDA nationals. It would >> be >> > > renovated in a way that worked for the tournament but was >> > > easily transformable into affordable housing and/or office space for >> > > community groups. >> > > After CEDA nationals CEDA would get community space for a center where >> CEDA >> > > college debaters could work with high school students and a space >> where >> > > local college students could do internship projects for the >> organization. >> > > Otherwise the space would be utilized for affordable housing and >> office >> > > space by the city/developer/ etc. >> > > >> > > The renovation of course would be cause for a celebration and the city >> > > would >> > > probably close the street and throw some kind of party and make you >> feel >> > > kinda like you where on a campus. >> > > >> > > Habitat for Humanity would be a good CEDA partner perhaps... >> > > >> > > Once we have this as our goal- using our enterprise toward social >> goals, >> > > without sacrificing our enterprise- it becomes a lot easier to build >> small >> > > amounts of guaranteed capital investment into matching grants...in >> other >> > > words...if we can guarantee that we can raise 20 k we can raise money >> with >> > > a >> > > 20 k match. >> > > >> > > There would be a webpage for CEDA nationals that was functional and >> > > friendly. It would have been a two year collaborative project that led >> up >> > > to >> > > it, where tech talented people in the community collaborated with >> students >> > > (high school and college) to build the site that people need(but also >> the >> > > platform for the future). As long as there is education going on, >> money is >> > > available...the point agin being that using something we need (a good >> web >> > > platform for our national tournament) in the service of a social goal >> > > (teaching tech skills on a big project ) kinda just makes more sense. >> > > >> > > I would work with networks of youth non profits in Baltimore and >> hopefully >> > > be able to get photographers, events workers, ballot runners, video >> people, >> > > t shirt designers, and everything else under the sun, we might have to >> pay >> > > them, but thats a good investment on our part. >> > > >> > > There is something about the prelims working with and not just in a >> > > community that will drive people out to see the out rounds at the >> > > convention >> > > center. >> > > >> > > Oh yeah, the whole thing would be broadcast live at least over the >> > > internet, >> > > and who knows maybe on CSPAN, or something more exciting. >> > > >> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not forgetting about debate, in fact the rooms >> > > would >> > > be configured more ideally for debate than any other location, because >> its >> > > first use would be debate. I am not looking to sacrifice what we do, >> im >> > > looking to get more return out of our investment. >> > > Accessibility ? Actually that works better in my model as well. If >> CEDA had >> > > an idea of how many rooms needed to be "accessible" that would be that >> many >> > > more accessible rooms on that block...see how this works. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Now this is gonna take organizing, money, work, and commitment. But we >> can >> > > do it and we should want to do it...Its good for people(the prelims) >> the >> > > planet (don't have to rent a car and transforming brownfields into >> > > affordable housing) and profit (the elims and the money that funds the >> > > social projects) and it would be the most fun place to ever have a >> hotel. >> > > >> > > If you like the idea but think its unrealistic, don't stop liking the >> idea, >> > > work with me to make it realistic. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > CEDA-L mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/ceda-l >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >
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