Yes, PIE does apparently work better here than fq_codel. This is a subjective judgement. I have stopped using RRUL.


On 22/11/13 09:23, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
Hi Fred,


On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:15 , Fred Stratton <[email protected]> wrote:

Thank you.

Are you still using ADSL2+, Sebastian, or have you moved to fibre?
        Yes, I am still on ADSL2+ (16M downlink 2.5M uplink); I hope to switch 
to VDSL2 soon (50M down, 10M up), since real fiber is not offered where I live. 
For completeness I have shaped down and up link to 95% of the raw link-rate, 
and use simple qos, with tc_stab, link layer ADSL, overhead 40, and that seems 
to work well in my setup. My link is quite robust, that is I get a number of 
FECs but only few CRCs (and FECs do not require retransmission of cells and 
thus do not impact the effective link speed).
        I have one question, does PIE work better for you than fq_codel on your 
test load (i think you try to watch some videos while up- and downloading is 
ongoing)?

best
        Sebastian


On 22/11/13 09:10, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
Hi Fred,


On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:08 , Fred Stratton <[email protected]> wrote:

I have been using PIE instead of fq_codel for approximately 10 days. It works 
well.
        Intrigued by your report I went ahead and tested simple.qos with 
fq_codel and pie (cerowrt 3.10.18-1) with rrul against  demo.tohojo.dk:
  /netperf-wrapper -l 300 -H demo.tohojo.dk rrul -p all_scaled -t my_silly_name

        Pie (with the default target of 20ms(?) shows around 120 ms ping delay 
(fq_codel shows 45ms) also the average downlink with fq_codel is roughly 10% 
higher than with pie. So at least in that test fq_codel seems better than pie. 
That said, compared to ping latencies up to 300ms (my primary router somehow 
restricts ;agencies to roughly 300ms)  with no AQM, just rate shaping with HTB, 
pie still keeps the internet more useable.
        
Should it?
        I think its designers wanted it to be a competent disc, so I guess it 
should :)

Has PIE been optimized for ADSL?
Best Regards
        Sebastian
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