Ah yes, was it the words of Jefferson - " I may disagree with what you say,
but I would give my life to insure your right to say it?" One of my very
concepts.
Actually, most of the combat veterans that I know ( quite a few, as I used
to work in the post office) felt that clinton's election was a slap to their
face.
-GK
>From: Dan Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:24:46 -0800
>
>And the great thing is that we CAN disagree! The presidential election is
>a
>great example of that. People can't agree on Burger King vs. McDonalds let
>alone something like Clinton's merits. Hell, we can't agree on CF issues
>sometimes! I think over time we'll see a very different view of his
>presidency within the United States vs. internationally. Similar to Nixon.
>
>My views? Ummm, mixed. I'd still vote for him over Gore or Bush (daddy or
>son) just because Monica and the military issue aside he has done fairly
>good job as President. And please don't read into that statement that he
>has done it all - he, his aides and advisors, the House, the Senate, the
>states, have all done their part - I am just commenting on his job as
>President. As for the military issue, I have to assume you will find very
>different views among those with a military background versus those
>without.
>That is an assumption though.
>
>Anyways, back to the real job - where I sometimes have the only vote. ;)
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:02 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
>
>
>Dan,
>
>I disagree. The president is also the leader of the armed forces. How can
>Clinton tell anyone to go sacrifice their lives for America when he refused
>himself? I believe in leadership by example, In that regard Clinton is a
>very poor leader.
>
>-George
>
>
> >From: Dan Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:59:27 -0800
> >
> >Extremely well said.
> >
> >To take it one step further - let's all realize we are human beings and
> >that
> >noone has ever chosen their own birthplace. Everyone keeps that in mind
> >and
> >the need for a military quickly diminishes. Naive, yes. Not worth
> >thinking
> >about. Never.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:31 AM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: Re: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> >
> >
> >George,
> >
> >I suppose, by this logic, that those of us from the Vietnam era who
> >failed to enlist are forever enjoined from doing anything in public
> >life. Sounds pretty unamerican to me.
> >
> >As for myself, had I been drafted (difficult with a lottery number of
> >360), I would have "served." Given that there was little consensus and a
> >lot of divisiveness over the issue, I never felt a duty to volunteer.
> >
> >In present times, I thoroughly resent those in public life who are
> >promoting polarization among the armed services (e.g., the current flap
> >over overseas absentee ballots in Florida), like those of five or six
> >years ago did with religion. I'm naive, I suppose, in thinking that we
> >should all consider ourselves Americans first, and begin acting like it.
> >
> >Our Constitution provides for civilian control over our military. While
> >it's coincidental that many Presidents did serve, I certainly don't see
> >it as a prerequisite. Those who try to turn the military against their
> >Commander-In-Chief should be tried and shot as traitors. Of course,
> >since we're not at war, maybe all we can do is lock them up. That's
> >still better than they deserve.
> >
> >By the way, our President represented ALL Americans on his recent trip
> >to Vietnam, not just the military.
> >
> >JMHO,
> >--John
> >
> >George Kaytor wrote:
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I'll agree with you on most points. But take a gander at this
> >difference.
> > > George Bush (sr) volunteered for service when this nation was in a
>war,
> >and
> > > volunteered for combat duty. He could have easily gotten out of
>service,
> >as
> > > his daddy was a powerful senator. He volunteered because he felt it
>his
> >duty
> > > to SERVE his country. Compare those actions to those of willy clinton
> >and
> > > maybe my point will be clearer to you. I just bring up this example,
> >because
> > > willy finally made it to vietnam.
> > >
> > > -GK
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