I thought someone got their gun out and killed this thread?
<grin>
** noooo, please don't beat me, I'm just trying to have some
fun,...please...I didn't mean any harm! I care, I do..... ***
But I couldn't resist.
Erika
(with a *K*)
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the
affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure
the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in
others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a
garden, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed
easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." - Ralph Waldo
Emerson
-----Original Message-----
From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:58 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Violent education
One problem with the militia argument. At the time the bill of rights was
written, militia's were not state controlled. They were formed locally by
members of the community, usually by a well to do guy who coul dafford
uniforms and equipment. If you use the militia argument, everyone who wants
a gun can say they are forming a militia.
Secondly one when one conducts a study, they must elimanate other factors to
find a true correlation. Saying that gun control reduces violent behavior
has as much credibility as saying the colder weather in canada reduces
violence, or the sparsity of population.
-george
>From: Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Violent education
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:58:37 -0400
>
>Here's my own take on this issue. I am very much in favor of strong gun
>control legislation - if you look at the stats it works.
>
>First of all the United States is a violent country. Violence is assumed
>everywhere. Children are taught to use violent solutions all the time -
>just
>look at what the media produces for children and teenagers - problems can
>be
>solved through firepower. Take a gun and shoot the perp, or the dastards
>who are offending you.
>
>A lot of research over the last 25 years have firmly established the link
>between watching TV shows with a lot of violence and subsequent violent
>behavior. Combine that with the ease of getting a firearm and its a wonder
>that not more school shooting incidents don't happen more often.
>
>If you want I can give a very and boring long list of research studies from
>peer reviewed journals that support that statement. I have yet to find a
>well conducted study with the same level of experimental controls that have
>found otherwise. Nothing.
>
>Now compare that to Canada, the cultures are fairly similar - both are very
>diverse, highly educated western cultures. Given the similarities, one
>would
>expect a similar firearms homicide rate. There isn't. Canada's rate for
>homicide by firearms is less than one tenth that of the US. School
>shootings? In the last decade there has been what - one, maybe two? How
>many
>has the US had in the last 10 years?
>
>The end result is that you get a lot of shootings at home, in school, in
>the
>work place, and on the streets. Given the easy availability of guns and a
>culture that glorifies violence, what else do you expect. Robert A.
>Heinlein's assertion of an armed society is a polite one is simply wrong.
>An
>armed society is a violent society with a lot of children ending up in the
>ER or dead.
>
>One popular anti-gun argument is that gun control legislation is violation
>of the 2nd amendment of the constitution. Unfortunately when people bring
>this argument up - they mainly focus on the last half - "the right of the
>people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Unfortunately they
>forget the first part of the amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being
>necessary to the security of a free State," so that the whole thing is as
>follows "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>free
>State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>infringed."
>
>The only way I can see that the whole amendment can be interpreted is that
>it applies to a state's right to have a national guard. In actuality is
>says
>nothing about Joe Redneck down the street having a 105mm howitzer to go
>deer
>hunting. Which is what some pro gun types have been advocating.
>
>Finally as for Guy's assertion that Canada is spending billions on gun
>control, I'd love to know where he got that statistic. I looked at the last
>budget put forth by Chretien's government, and there was actually less real
>spending on the police and customs than was spent before the most recent
>gun
>control legislation. Moreover the vast majority of Canadians support the
>gun
>control stance that the government has taken, just check the latest polls
>that examined it.
>
>regards,
>
>larry
>
>--
>Larry C. Lyons
>ColdFusion/Web Developer
>EBStor.com
>8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
>Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
>tel: (703) 393-7930
>fax: (703) 393-2659
>Web: http://www.pacel.com
> http://www.ebstor.com
>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
>--
>
>Original Message:
>
>Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:13:26 -0400
>From: Michael Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Violent education
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Why is it okay to go back and change some things that are fathers wrote and
>not others. Since when was it okay to say they were wrong and not to say
>they were wrong.... They changed the voting rights, why not the gun
>rights.... Different times, different people, different reasons.....
>
>USA land of the free (except if you are poor, not white, not male, not
>Christian)...
>
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
