I know, I know.... But when you feel really strongly about something its
hard to keep your mouth shut :)
-george
>From: "Erika L Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Violent education
>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:45:43 -0400
>
>I thought someone got their gun out and killed this thread?
>
><grin>
>
>** noooo, please don't beat me, I'm just trying to have some
>fun,...please...I didn't mean any harm! I care, I do..... ***
>
>But I couldn't resist.
>
>
>Erika
>(with a *K*)
>
>To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the
>affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and
>endure
>the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in
>others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a
>garden, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed
>easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." - Ralph Waldo
>Emerson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:58 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Violent education
>
>
>One problem with the militia argument. At the time the bill of rights was
>written, militia's were not state controlled. They were formed locally by
>members of the community, usually by a well to do guy who coul dafford
>uniforms and equipment. If you use the militia argument, everyone who wants
>a gun can say they are forming a militia.
>
>Secondly one when one conducts a study, they must elimanate other factors
>to
>find a true correlation. Saying that gun control reduces violent behavior
>has as much credibility as saying the colder weather in canada reduces
>violence, or the sparsity of population.
>
>-george
>
>
> >From: Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Violent education
> >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:58:37 -0400
> >
> >Here's my own take on this issue. I am very much in favor of strong gun
> >control legislation - if you look at the stats it works.
> >
> >First of all the United States is a violent country. Violence is assumed
> >everywhere. Children are taught to use violent solutions all the time -
> >just
> >look at what the media produces for children and teenagers - problems can
> >be
> >solved through firepower. Take a gun and shoot the perp, or the dastards
> >who are offending you.
> >
> >A lot of research over the last 25 years have firmly established the link
> >between watching TV shows with a lot of violence and subsequent violent
> >behavior. Combine that with the ease of getting a firearm and its a
>wonder
> >that not more school shooting incidents don't happen more often.
> >
> >If you want I can give a very and boring long list of research studies
>from
> >peer reviewed journals that support that statement. I have yet to find a
> >well conducted study with the same level of experimental controls that
>have
> >found otherwise. Nothing.
> >
> >Now compare that to Canada, the cultures are fairly similar - both are
>very
> >diverse, highly educated western cultures. Given the similarities, one
> >would
> >expect a similar firearms homicide rate. There isn't. Canada's rate for
> >homicide by firearms is less than one tenth that of the US. School
> >shootings? In the last decade there has been what - one, maybe two? How
> >many
> >has the US had in the last 10 years?
> >
> >The end result is that you get a lot of shootings at home, in school, in
> >the
> >work place, and on the streets. Given the easy availability of guns and a
> >culture that glorifies violence, what else do you expect. Robert A.
> >Heinlein's assertion of an armed society is a polite one is simply wrong.
> >An
> >armed society is a violent society with a lot of children ending up in
>the
> >ER or dead.
> >
> >One popular anti-gun argument is that gun control legislation is
>violation
> >of the 2nd amendment of the constitution. Unfortunately when people bring
> >this argument up - they mainly focus on the last half - "the right of the
> >people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Unfortunately they
> >forget the first part of the amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being
> >necessary to the security of a free State," so that the whole thing is as
> >follows "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
> >free
> >State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
> >infringed."
> >
> >The only way I can see that the whole amendment can be interpreted is
>that
> >it applies to a state's right to have a national guard. In actuality is
> >says
> >nothing about Joe Redneck down the street having a 105mm howitzer to go
> >deer
> >hunting. Which is what some pro gun types have been advocating.
> >
> >Finally as for Guy's assertion that Canada is spending billions on gun
> >control, I'd love to know where he got that statistic. I looked at the
>last
> >budget put forth by Chretien's government, and there was actually less
>real
> >spending on the police and customs than was spent before the most recent
> >gun
> >control legislation. Moreover the vast majority of Canadians support the
> >gun
> >control stance that the government has taken, just check the latest polls
> >that examined it.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >larry
> >
> >--
> >Larry C. Lyons
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> >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> >--
> >
> >Original Message:
> >
> >Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:13:26 -0400
> >From: Michael Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: Violent education
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Why is it okay to go back and change some things that are fathers wrote
>and
> >not others. Since when was it okay to say they were wrong and not to say
> >they were wrong.... They changed the voting rights, why not the gun
> >rights.... Different times, different people, different reasons.....
> >
> >USA land of the free (except if you are poor, not white, not male, not
> >Christian)...
> >
> >
> >
>
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