I view it as a good thing.  First, I look upon the use of Java to make
things spin and burst into flame as an utter waste of bandwidth.  Second, I
consider Microsoft's attempt to "embrace and extend" Java as contradictory
to the whole idea of Java in the first place.  What it means to me as a
developer (if I ever learn Java) is that I don't have to account for
Microsoft's incompatibility anymore.  I can program against Sun's JRE with
a lot fewer worries, and then redistribute the JRE if necessary.

Java is much more useful in an intranet environment where you automatically
have this kind of control, IMHO.
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Now web developers are what? Going to have to put: "If you are using
Windows XP and are unable to see the images or
navigation bar on this page, you may need to download the JAVA VM from
MIcrosoft's site here"

What do you think this means for us as Developers?

Microsoft has always set the standards on the PC..and if they are no longer
including JAVA outright, then you KNOW that 80%
of the people that use computers and upgrade, and maybe 90% of the people
that buy new computers which would be configured
with XP..aren't going to know about downloading a Vee Emm from Microsoft,
and just won't view JAVA anymore. That doesn't
signal a death knell for JAVA, but it certainly sets it back for client
side applications and as the most viable option for
Web Developers. Now they may turn to FLASH instead which is widely
available to everyone through inclusion with the latest
browsers.

Those of us in the know, will probably be able to install it, might tell a
few of our friends..but the man in the street
ain't gonna know, and will consider it to be the same as any other embedded
control out there that he needs to download
yet another plugin for, and this time not automatically, but through active
effort on his part. Also, a 'plugin' that could
weigh in at 7MB.

Bloody Hell :(

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010718/tc/tech_microsoft_dc_1.html

-Gel
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(Satcher Report 2001)

(wicked business move though..on that level I like it >:-) )
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